Transwomen are not Women - Part 15

[Rolfe]

... he says that homosexuality is not innate, but almost all environmentally caused by childhood sexual assault (I'm serious- he actually says that,

I'm not in a position to listen to that again right now, but that is not my recollection of what he said.

and goes on about AGP, which as we all know, isn't a thing.

It is most certainly a thing. Reality doesn't stop happening just because you're in denial. Autogynaephilia is most certainly a thing, indeed it is the core of the entire problem.

 

[Thermal]

I'm not in a position to listen to that again right now, but that is not my recollection of what he said.

Then allow me to direct your recollection to 5:08 on the clock in the interview where he says exactly that.

It is most certainly a thing. Reality doesn't stop happening just because you're in denial. Autogynaephilia is most certainly a thing, indeed it is the core of the entire problem.

AGP is a thing, but not as you use the term. The psychological and medical circles that Blanchard et al submitted the idea to define it as merely a sexual arousal at the thought of one's self as a woman. That's it. And as I pointed out to you earlier, cis men and women also report arousal at those same thoughts, as Blanchard worded them in his questionnaire ("picture yourself as a nude woman", etc).

Of course, this tweety person was running around calling other people autogynophiles, when I doubt sincerely that he has the diagnostic credentials, was able to measure their sexual arousal, or even ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ MET the people he was slapping the label onto. So ya, as he and you use the term, it's not a thing.

 

[John Freestone]

he says that homosexuality is not innate, but almost all environmentally caused by childhood sexual assault (I'm serious- he actually says that)

No, he didn't. He said he found out, "that homosexual transition was environmentally caused in almost every single case by childhood sexual assault or by internalized homophobia, [or?] failed-boy syndrome. 92.5% of trans identified males are straight and bisexual, and the only explanation for straight or bisexual men to transition is autogynaephilia."

You may have got confused because he reported the clinicians telling him, in response to asking if his CSA might have caused him to "be this way", that "no, being gay is innate, and being trans is innate, and what you have is gender identity disorder."

and goes on about AGP, which as we all know, isn't a thing.

I've seen several men report that it is a thing, and they know because they've got it. (I doubt it's the only reason straight/bisexual men transition, but I hear AGP is quite common among that cohort.)

ETA: ApostateAri also mentions knowing self-identified AGPs in this video.

 

[Thermal]

No, he didn't. He said he found out, "that homosexual transition was environmentally caused..."

You're right! Had to listen again to catch that difference

You may have got confused because..

Actually it was because "homosexual transition" is not a thing to the medical community. It's a Bailey and Blanchard buzzers that the community doesn't use or acknowledge, so my ears autocorrected the nonsense phrase to one that was goofy yet made sense.

I've seen several men report that it is a thing, and they know because they've got it. (I doubt it's the only reason straight/bisexual men transition, but I hear AGP is quite common among that cohort.)

Most people "have it", if they respond to the exact questions Blanchard composed. Dr. Chaz Moser noted that something like 93% of cis women he posed the same question to self reported sexual arousal. This was one of the many many many criticisms lobbed against the whole posit, which he evidently abandoned further research on, except to talk about how no one was researching it.

 

[John Freestone]

Then allow me to direct your recollection to 5:08 on the clock in the interview where he says exactly that.

Oh, are we watching different videos? I was talking about this:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2007571741640667608

 

[John Freestone]

You're right! Had to listen again to catch that difference

It's a good job someone keeps getting you to listen again, isn't it?

Actually it was because "homosexual transition" is not a thing to the medical community. It's a Bailey and Blanchard buzzers that the community doesn't use or acknowledge, so my ears autocorrected the nonsense phrase to one that was goofy yet made sense.

<<Edited to remove the diamonds: BULL!>> It's because you set out to discount everything this transphobic bigot was spouting, so your "ears autocorrected the nonsense phrase" to one you could rant incorrectly about.

Most people "have it", if they respond to the exact questions Blanchard composed. Dr. Chaz Moser noted that something like 93% of cis women he posed the same question to self reported sexual arousal. This was one of the many many many criticisms lobbed against the whole posit, which he evidently abandoned further research on, except to talk about how no one was researching it.

More trans propaganda. See, for example, https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2010-00746-001

although Moser may have found something superficially resembling autogynephilia in women, there is little reason to think that he documented genuine autogynephilic arousal in women. Perhaps because of Moser’s evident unfamiliarity with Blanchard’s scales, many of Moser’s items are not genuinely analogous to any of Blanchard’s items.

 

[Rolfe]

Not good at aural comprehension, is he?

 

[John Freestone]

You listened so badly you reminded Rolfe she's wrong with an actual timestamp in the video, where Ari just sums up that we need to stop it with legislation, and that's the end of the video?

I'm concerned about you, seriously Thermal. You took four days to realise what year it was, even squinting at me and saying you were checking your calendar (which presumably you didn't do) when I said in passing what freaking year it is. Are you ok?

 

[John Freestone]

Not good at aural comprehension, is he?

Or reading comprehension.

You going anywhere nice? Or have you been and come back already? Or was it heat you were packing?

 

[Thermal]

It's a good job someone keeps getting you to listen again, isn't it?

Absolutely, and I mean that sincerely. We all get things wrong once in a while and can stand the rightful correction.

<<Edited to remove the diamonds: BULL!>> It's because you set out to discount everything this transphobic bigot was spouting, so your "ears autocorrected the nonsense phrase" to one you could rant incorrectly about.

Great example! You are painfully wrong in your attempt at mind reading here, so allow me to correct you:

I don't think he's a bigot at all. From the extremely limited information he has self disclosed, he has had a horrifically rough time of his life thus far, so I don't think he is presently the most objective arbiter of his psychological diagnoses. Further, his treatment is woefully still lacking if he's got some quack spouting the Eugenics Boys' ◊◊◊◊. Seems listening to the wrong people has been a theme in his life.

More trans propaganda. See, for example, https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2010-00746-001

Lawrence, dude? Really? She's the third of the Three Musketeers, after Blanchard and Professor ◊◊◊◊ Saw. Coming in late to the discussion has you Rinse and Repeating stuff we've long covered as if it was new (not a criticism, just an observation).

BTW, I still owe you a reply for the last long post you directed to me. Still on mobile now and would rather be on more comfortable device for long replies.

 

[Thermal]

You listened so badly you reminded Rolfe she's wrong with an actual timestamp in the video, where Ari just sums up that we need to stop it with legislation, and that's the end of the video?

Correct.

Sidebar: Many of us dislike listening to interviews. Some people, and many dogs, prefer to listen. I don't. Between my tinnitus, loud jobsites, and mobile phone speaker, having to listen to mindless videos is annoying in the extreme. Invariably, the content comes across faster and more clearly when written, and I rarely have the patience to rewind and catch what wasn't clear on the first hearing.

I'm concerned about you, seriously Thermal.

I'm touched.

You took four days to realise what year it was, even squinting at me and saying you were checking your calendar (which presumably you didn't do) when I said in passing what freaking year it is. Are you ok?

Never better. Not knowing the current day, date, month, or year, however, is a lifestyle byproduct that is somewhat embarrassing but I got over it a long time ago.

Eta: I'd be proud to say that was the first time I googled "what year is it?", but the autocomplete brought it up awfully quickly.

 

[Rolfe]

Or reading comprehension.

You going anywhere nice? Or have you been and come back already? Or was it heat you were packing?

Going to Bali, then the Maldives, later today. My friend chose the holiday, I'm still a bit hazy about the details. I'll only have my phone with me, and I may not check in very often. Back at the beginning of February.

 

[Rolfe]

Your double standards are showing, Thermal. You were all over me with nitpicking criticism because I don't use the auto-complete the way you do, and use it inconsistently. You thought that I should have seen your edit posted after my reply was posted, and edited my reply, and because I didn't you felt entirely justified in criticising my reply for not addressing your edit.

But now you completely misinterpret a short video, apparently "unconsciously editing" what you heard to conform to your personal biasses. OK, that happens. But when challenged, honest people go back and check.

You didn't check. You went back and posted a time stamp you claimed supported your interpretation, even though I'd already said I wasn't in a position to listen again. Turns out my memory of what was said was correct all along.

Do better. Live up to your own exacting standards.