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Transgender man gives birth

Argumemnon said:
How is he sounding like a jerk?
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By being unnecessarily rude to someone. It doesn't hurt you to indulge someone in their choice of pronoun, whether it's "correct" or not in your opinion. Courtesy is the art of making people comfortable. It doesn't hurt me if someone wants to be called "she". So why wouldn't I call them what they want? Is being right more important than being polite in this matter?

You don't have to agree with someone to be polite to them.
 
Hercules56 said:
It appears my unacceptance of what I see as absurd rules and regs has triggered him to insult me.

Oh well, life goes on.
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The funny part is that it's you who are having your tender feelings hurt. Why do you care what someone else calls themselves? I don't. If someone wants to be considered a woman or a man it doesn't hurt me in the least. Or interest me, either. So I'll call them what they like and move on with my life. I see no need to stamp my foot and declare "that ain't right!" and complain about it on the internet. The question is: why do you?
 
TragicMonkey said:
By being unnecessarily rude to someone. It doesn't hurt you to indulge someone in their choice of pronoun, whether it's "correct" or not in your opinion. Courtesy is the art of making people comfortable. It doesn't hurt me if someone wants to be called "she". So why wouldn't I call them what they want? Is being right more important than being polite in this matter?

You don't have to agree with someone to be polite to them.
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First of all, I have not called anyone by the wrong pronoun.

Now, do you believe that a fine is warranted in such a case?

How much? $1,000? $500? $125,000? $1 million?

How about 5 years in prison?
 
TragicMonkey said:
By being unnecessarily rude to someone.
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Oh, ok. You didn't mean in this thread. Sorry.

It doesn't hurt you to indulge someone in their choice of pronoun, whether it's "correct" or not in your opinion.
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It doesn't hurt you to call me emperor of the world, either. But it ain't true.

Courtesy is the art of making people comfortable.
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Yes, and we all engage in it. To a degree. As with all things, the question is: how far do you go to make people comfortable? When does it become pandering or treating people like children?

(These are honest questions. I don't know the answers.)

It doesn't hurt me if someone wants to be called "she". So why wouldn't I call them what they want?
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Even the big hairy biker who doesn't have a hint of woman in his body or mind? How about calling him an Apache attack helicopter?
 
TragicMonkey said:
The funny part is that it's you who are having your tender feelings hurt. Why do you care what someone else calls themselves? I don't. If someone wants to be considered a woman or a man it doesn't hurt me in the least. Or interest me, either. So I'll call them what they like and move on with my life. I see no need to stamp my foot and declare "that ain't right!" and complain about it on the internet. The question is: why do you?
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Oh, I have zero problem whatsoever if you call yourself he, she, madam, it, dog, cat, horse, Martian, or Jon Snow. Whatever feels best for you.

However I don't believe its fair to require employers and co-workers to comply with the pronoun of a person's choice, under penalty of $125,000.
 
TragicMonkey said:
The funny part is that it's you who are having your tender feelings hurt.
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No, I just think you're using the mirror defense, here. Finding it ridiculous to call said hairy biker "madam" has nothing to do with one's feelings being hurt.

Hercules56 said:
First of all, I have not called anyone by the wrong pronoun.

Now, do you believe that a fine is warranted in such a case?

How much? $1,000? $500? $125,000? $1 million?

How about 5 years in prison?
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Summary execution?
 
Hercules56 said:
First of all, I have not called anyone by the wrong pronoun.

Now, do you believe that a fine is warranted in such a case?

How much? $1,000? $500? $125,000? $1 million?

How about 5 years in prison?
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You started a thread to declare your principle unto the world that you would not call someone by a pronoun you don't think they merit.

And of course I don't think a fine is warranted, unless this particular behavior is part of an ongoing harrassment. Which would be a different situation, don't you think?
 
Argumemnon said:
No, I just think you're using the mirror defense, here. Finding it ridiculous to call said hairy biker "madam" has nothing to do with one's feelings being hurt.



Summary execution?
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Exile to the Phantom Zone sounds appropriate.
 
Hercules56 said:
A $125,000 fine for calling a transgender male co-worker a "she", will certainly deserve a hearing at the Supreme Court. One has the right to their own beliefs regarding this VERY complicated matter.

It is unreasonable to fine someone $125,000 for calling a transgender male "madam".

I mean, come on folks. Let's get real.
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These are civil (not criminal) penalties, and "up to $125,000" does not mean "exactly $125,000".

It doesn't seem controversial to me that you can rack up liabilities for intentionally demeaning your employees, or for creating a workplace environment where such behavior is tolerated.
 
Hercules56 said:
Oh, I have zero problem whatsoever if you call yourself he, she, madam, it, dog, cat, horse, Martian, or Jon Snow. Whatever feels best for you.
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But you'd start a thread to complain about it. Why?

However I don't believe its fair to require employers and co-workers to comply with the pronoun of a person's choice, under penalty of $125,000.
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You don't think employers should be prevented from harrassing their employees? Does that just apply to matters of gender, or are you in favor of allowing any kind of employer harrassment?
 
TragicMonkey said:
You started a thread to declare your principle unto the world that you would not call someone by a pronoun you don't think they merit.

And of course I don't think a fine is warranted, unless this particular behavior is part of an ongoing harrassment. Which would be a different situation, don't you think?
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I don't support harrassment of any kind.

However, evidence to the contrary notwithstanding, I don't consider it to be harrassment to call someone who looks like a guy "he/him" or who looks like a gal "she/her".
 
TragicMonkey said:
By being unnecessarily rude to someone. It doesn't hurt you to indulge someone in their choice of pronoun, whether it's "correct" or not in your opinion. Courtesy is the art of making people comfortable. It doesn't hurt me if someone wants to be called "she". So why wouldn't I call them what they want? Is being right more important than being polite in this matter?

You don't have to agree with someone to be polite to them.
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Calling someone a jerk isn't very polite.
 
Hercules56 said:
I don't support harrassment of any kind.

However, evidence to the contrary notwithstanding, I don't consider it to be harrassment to call someone who looks like a guy "he/him" or who looks like a gal "she/her".
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And there you have it. If the perpetrator doesn't consider it harrassment, it's acceptable.
 
TragicMonkey said:
The funny part is that it's you who are having your tender feelings hurt. Why do you care what someone else calls themselves? I don't. If someone wants to be considered a woman or a man it doesn't hurt me in the least. Or interest me, either. So I'll call them what they like and move on with my life. I see no need to stamp my foot and declare "that ain't right!" and complain about it on the internet. The question is: why do you?
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You have no consideration for others feelings? How unfeeling of you.
 
Hercules56 said:
Calling someone "he" is slightly different than calling someone a "******".

But I don't expect you to understand this.
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Is it? To them?

You're drawing a line. You think some behavior, and terminology, is harrassment, and other behavior and terminology is not. Why do you draw that line where you draw it? Why not further one way or another? If you're not willing to call someone "******", are you willing to call them "fag"? What is the difference between those situations that makes you qualify them differently?
 
TragicMonkey said:
Is it? To them?

You're drawing a line. You think some behavior, and terminology, is harrassment, and other behavior and terminology is not. Why do you draw that line where you draw it? Why not further one way or another? If you're not willing to call someone "******", are you willing to call them "fag"? What is the difference between those situations that makes you qualify them differently?
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Calling someone a faggot is not the same as calling someone "sir".

I understand this issue is of significant emotional importance to you, but you cannot order me under penalty of $125,000 to call a woman "sir".
 
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