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Third Eye Spies

Chief Warrant Officer Joe McMoneagle, Remote Viewer 001 of Project Stargate got the Legion of Merit Award, which came with a letter reading:

"While with his command he used his talents and expertise in the execution of more than 200 missions, addressing over 150 essential elements of information. These EEI contained critical intelligence reported at the highest echelons of our military and government, including such national level agencies as the Joint Chiefs of Staff, DIA, NSA, CIA, DEA, and the Secret Service, producing crucial and vital intelligence unavailable from any other source."

That’s right, although the fact he received a Legion of Merit doesn’t tell us about his skills as a remote viewer.

Stephan Schwartz reads from the letter that accompanied Joe McMoneagle’s Legion of Merit during the film at 1:09:35. He does so with the clear implication that it was the result of gratitude of an impartial third party who were pleased with the information McMoneagle obtained via remote viewing.

However, the Legion of Merit was, in fact, initiated by and written by members of the remote viewing project. It is mentioned in the minutes of a meeting (at the start of the second page) here:

https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700220008-3.pdf

Which includes the sentence: "LTC Buzby addressed three areas to the CG. The first area was a retirement award for CW2 McMoneagle."

The text of the Legion of Merit itself was written by fellow remote viewer Paul Smith, as he describes in his book Reading the Enemy's Mind: Inside Star Gate: America's Psychic Espionage Program

“It was about this time that Buzby ordered me to draft the text for Joe’s retirement award. It was to be a Legion of Merit, one of the highest peacetime awards a retiring soldier can be given. Such an award covers the ten-year period before the person is due to leave active duty, so I had to dig up information about Joe’s time as a signals intelligence analyst and operator. But my main focus was to be his service as a remote viewer. I had to word this carefully, since mentioning psychic espionage would instantly make the award highly classified. But I was now fairly competent at stating the truth without giving anything away.”

So the Legion of Merit was not a spontaneous act by some government official who was so impressed by the information Joe had passed on, but a retirement award arranged by the remote viewing project itself.
 
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Did Chief Warrant Officer Joe McMoneagle ever take and pass a properly designed and blinded test of his supposed ability? AFAIK Project Star Gate included no such tests.
 
Did Chief Warrant Officer Joe McMoneagle ever take and pass a properly designed and blinded test of his supposed ability? AFAIK Project Star Gate included no such tests.

That depends how you define "properly". The initial training to choose the army remote viewers was designed to be double-blind, but that was with Targ and Puthoff. And I have... issues with some of their descriptions of their own experiments.

The link below goes to a pdf that shows some results from the first few months of the remote viewing project after the training was done. There's no blind matching to a number of potential targets, but a somewhat nebulous "target correlation" concept. Even with this, the results aren't good.

https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001200310004-2.pdf
 
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That depends how you define "properly". The initial training to choose the army remote viewers was designed to be double-blind, but that was with Targ and Puthoff. And I have... issues with some of their descriptions of their own experiments.

The link below goes to a pdf that shows some results from the first few months of the remote viewing project after the training was done. There's no blind matching to a number of potential targets, but a somewhat nebulous "target correlation" concept. Even with this, the results aren't good.

https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001200310004-2.pdf

You're not kidding. 133 test runs subjectively assessed for accuracy on a scale of 1 to 7 (where 1 means no correlation and 7 means the target was correctly identified), and only 9 (6%) were rated higher than 3. With no attempt to establish an objective baseline for the expected chance hit rate I can only give my own subjective assessment, which is: pathetic.
 
Chief Warrant Officer Joe McMoneagle, Remote Viewer 001 of Project Stargate got the Legion of Merit Award, which came with a letter reading:
Barack Obama, Henry Kissinger and Yasser Arafat all won the Nobel Peace Prize. Jethro Tull won a Grammy for "best heavy metal album"
 
Either it works or it doesn't.

It took 12 years to find bin Laden, and even then we weren't 100% certain he was in the building until we found him and shot him.

Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri remains at large.

Maylasia Airlines Flight 370 remains missing.

The list of things remote viewers have not found is very long.
 
Either it works or it doesn't.

It took 12 years to find bin Laden, and even then we weren't 100% certain he was in the building until we found him and shot him.

Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri remains at large.

Maylasia Airlines Flight 370 remains missing.

The list of things remote viewers have not found is very long.

Hey now, They are 100% for finding things after the fact.
 
That’s right, although the fact he received a Legion of Merit doesn’t tell us about his skills as a remote viewer.

Stephan Schwartz reads from the letter that accompanied Joe McMoneagle’s Legion of Merit during the film at 1:09:35. He does so with the clear implication that it was the result of gratitude of an impartial third party who were pleased with the information McMoneagle obtained via remote viewing.

However, the Legion of Merit was, in fact, initiated by and written by members of the remote viewing project. It is mentioned in the minutes of a meeting (at the start of the second page) here:

https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700220008-3.pdf

Which includes the sentence: "LTC Buzby addressed three areas to the CG. The first area was a retirement award for CW2 McMoneagle."

The text of the Legion of Merit itself was written by fellow remote viewer Paul Smith, as he describes in his book Reading the Enemy's Mind: Inside Star Gate: America's Psychic Espionage Program

“It was about this time that Buzby ordered me to draft the text for Joe’s retirement award. It was to be a Legion of Merit, one of the highest peacetime awards a retiring soldier can be given. Such an award covers the ten-year period before the person is due to leave active duty, so I had to dig up information about Joe’s time as a signals intelligence analyst and operator. But my main focus was to be his service as a remote viewer. I had to word this carefully, since mentioning psychic espionage would instantly make the award highly classified. But I was now fairly competent at stating the truth without giving anything away.”

So the Legion of Merit was not a spontaneous act by some government official who was so impressed by the information Joe had passed on, but a retirement award arranged by the remote viewing project itself.

Thanks for that source info. It seems Mr. McMoneagle deserved an award for providing actionable intelligence.
 
Either it works or it doesn't.

It took 12 years to find bin Laden, and even then we weren't 100% certain he was in the building until we found him and shot him.

Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri remains at large.

Maylasia Airlines Flight 370 remains missing.

The list of things remote viewers have not found is very long.

Hey, slow down there. Plenty of remote viewers have said 370 will be found near water.
 
Thanks for that source info. It seems Mr. McMoneagle deserved an award for providing actionable intelligence.

He deserved an award for twenty years service in the army, but the "actionable intelligence" part was just the remote viewing team patting themselves on the back.

Perhaps you'd like to put forward an example of intelligence that was acted upon and we can discuss it.
 
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Hey, slow down there. Plenty of remote viewers have said 370 will be found near water.

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Did Chief Warrant Officer Joe McMoneagle ever take and pass a properly designed and blinded test of his supposed ability? AFAIK Project Star Gate included no such tests.
No. Even with the assistance of his fawning sycophant May his work was drivel.
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The only thing I found impressive about McMoneagle's demonstration was their editing and narration job to make it look like the most amazing and miraculous psychic feat in history.
His work. and that of the resat of the loons was dismissed by the US government with "no discernible benefit had been established".
 
Hhhmmmm....didn't we say the cia stopped ?


Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak View Post
If the CIA was so convinced that remote viewing was real why did they stop trying to use it?


Bubba: why can't the CIA use remote viewing to determine the identity of Qanon?


Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak View Post
If the CIA was so convinced that remote viewing was real why did they stop trying to use it?
 
If the CIA was so convinved that remote viewing was real why did they stop trying to use it?

Allow me to answer that question by posing another: Have you ever heard of Robert Bigelow?

He's sort of like the Sir Richard Branson of the paranormal; an independently wealthy hotelier who has millions of dollars of disposable capital and chooses to spend vast amounts of it pursuing his personally hobby of "studying UFOs". To that end, Bigelow created an organization called the National Institute for Discovery Science, whose job was to investigate paranormal claims Scientifically™. Most notably, NIDS actually bought and spent several years from the 90's through the early 2000's studying alleged paranormal phenomena at a haunted ranch in Utah (this may ring a few bells), only to be forced to conclude at the end of it that the ranch was definitely haunted by something intelligent, but whatever it was utterly refused to cooperate with and/or purposely sabotaged all efforts to collect scientifically-rigorous evidence about its existence. Heh.

That last bit isn't just a throwaway, by the way. Bigelow and the former board of NIDS are largely convinced that UFOs exist, but they don't believe they are spaceships with aliens in them. Rather, Bigelow believes that there exists some number of extra-dimensional (rather than extra-terrestrial) intelligences of an uncertain nature, and that these intelligences are able to enter our world and just really enjoy psychologically tormenting humans for unknown reasons - perhaps for entertainment. According to their theory, these entities cruelly toy with humans by "creating" not only UFOs for us to see, but also ghost and poltergeist phenomena, demonic possessions, cattle mutilations, and bigfoots and other monsters that people occasionally report seeing - none of which (says the theory) have any independent reality, all being illusions, hallucinations, or simulations controlled by the sadistic extra-dimensionals (if this theory sounds suspiciously like the old Ray Palmer "deros" story to anyone else, I'm right there with you). I think I've read that Bigelow may have actually reached this conclusion some time before the Utah ranch study and that the purpose of NIDS all along was mainly to prove it; however, he certainly believed it by the end of that debacle. But anyway, I digress.

In 2007, Bigelow convinced one of his close friends, Dem senator Harry Reid of Nevada, to pressure the Pentagon to create a secret new program for studying UFO sightings - and it worked; the program ran for five years until Pentagon leadership finally cancelled it in 2012. In case you're concerned that actual military resources were spent on this, don't worry: the DoD actually paid a civilian contractor $22 million of the taxpayers' money to carry out this UFO study. That civilian contractor was (in case you're curious) of course Bigelow Aerospace, which is owned by Robert Bigelow, whose friend Harry Reid pressed for the creation of the program in the first place. Smooth. Oh, and remember that digression above? Well Bigelow Aerospace spent some of that $22 million in UFO-research money studying things that weren't UFO's - namely ghosts and bigfoot - ontologically justified by the fact that according to Bigelow all these things are really the same thing.

So what does all this have to do with your question about the CIA cancelling their psychic study? Well, the Bigelow-Pentagon UFO study program WAS eventually cancelled, just like the CIA's program. But why? It would be tempting to assume, as some definitely did, that the study never found any hard evidence of anything (because, well, that's true - it didn't) and this convinced the Pentagon that it was a waste of time and money to continue the program; but that's not actually how it went down. We get a little detail from an interview published in late 2017 of Senator Reid by George Knapp, a reporter from Vegas TV station KLAS. Bear in mind here, Knapp wasn't interviewing Reid from the standpoint of a neutral journalist; he's a longtime friend of Bigelow's and in fact is the guy who first introduced Reid to Bigelow's work. The important segment of the interview:

In an interview with Reid, Knapp says that he heard from Pentagon officials that the UFO program was canceled in part due to “fear based on religious beliefs of those who felt UFOs might be satanic.” Knapp then asked Reid if that was true:

KNAPP: Did you ever hear that? Opposition that maybe this is something evil?

REID: Yes. I think that there’s a lot of people who didn’t like it for a number of reasons and religious—not affiliation—religious views of people, it didn’t fit what they wanted to spend money on.

That's a little cryptic; but Knapp fleshed it out a bit more with a tweet he posted last September, in which he says

The AATIP/BAASS study was sabotaged then defunded in large part because a cabal of religious fundamentalists inside the national security apparatus believes UFOs and paranormal are satanic and by studying them, we risk inviting Satan into our world.

So there you have it. It really would likewise be comforting to believe that the CIA's psychic study was cancelled because the agency eventually realized psychic powers don't exist and therefore the whole endeavor was pointless; but given the fate of the DoD's recent UFO program, I think we have to at least entertain the possibility that the CIA only stopped studying "remote viewing" because some fundy who had just been promoted into a policy-making position in the organization's leadership decided that psychic powers was "messing with devil-stuff".
 
Quit it Checkmite. Yer scaring me with all yer alien devil talk.
 
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So what does all this have to do with your question about the CIA cancelling their psychic study?

Perhaps not as much as you’d like. I think that the best way to decide why the CIA cancelled the remote viewing project is to look at the reasons why the CIA cancelled the remote viewing project and not look at another related cancelled project and then use that as an analogy to the one we are talking about. You may be right but, equally, you may not.

It really would likewise be comforting to believe that the CIA's psychic study was cancelled because the agency eventually realized psychic powers don't exist and therefore the whole endeavor was pointless;

It’s not comforting. Nor is it upsetting. But I would like to point out that the CIA didn’t cancel the project because they found that psychic powers don’t exist. They never said that. What happened was that the project was transferred from the DIA to the CIA in early 1995, which certain managers of the CIA were unhappy about. They thought it was a waste of money that created no decent results, and so they set up a report in order to assess the merits of the RV project that would definitely fail. However, just because this report was biased, doesn’t mean the remote viewing project was actually successful.

I think we have to at least entertain the possibility that the CIA only stopped studying "remote viewing" because some fundy who had just been promoted into a policy-making position in the organization's leadership decided that psychic powers was "messing with devil-stuff".

I don’t see any of that in the declassified documents. The decision to cancel the project seems to have been made by a wide range of people for rational motives.
 

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