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The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 29

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Is it appropriate for a man of the cloth to be disrespecting Saint Peter? You know the guy who holds the keys to the gates of heaven?

The prosecution proved its case fairly and squarely. The definitive murder convictions were safe and sound.

Lucky old Solly to have a rich daddy to pull strings to get his errant boy off the hook.

Apparently this is all you got. You're still stuck in 2009 with the haters. Oh well.

Apparently you also think DNA is time stamped, and that a partial mixed trace of DNA means something, when there is no other trace at the scene.
 
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From Vixen's point of view Raff's family easily rigged the initial local appellate court, then when that didn't work rigged the national supreme court, and nobody in all of Italy batted an eye or made critical commentary on the apparently wrongful acquittal. This suggest Italy is so corrupt murder verdicts can be swayed by corruption at will and the entire court system has zero integrity and everybody is aware of it. But apparently, what can never be corrupt, and is very cornerstone of honor, is the local police and prosecutors.

Imagine viewing reality through the lens of Vixen.

Vixen has two fixed view points. Firstly, all defendants without exception are guilty regardless of the facts of the facts of case or how many holes there are in the prosecution’s case. Secondly, Police/prosecutors are always honest, ethical, competent and police would never dream of railroading innocent defendants. Police/prosecutor corruption and incompetence doesn’t exist. If Vixen has the fixed view all defendants are guilty, there can never be any justification to make decisions favourable to defendants. If judges find a defendant not guilty or annul a conviction, there can never be a legitimate reason to do this in Vixen’s view. In Vixen’s view the only possible explanation for judges to find someone not guilty is due to corruption and being influenced by the masons, governments or aliens. Vixen made the false claim Hellman received a $500,000 dollar bribe to find Amanda and Raffaele not guilty. In addition, according to Vixen there can never by any legitimate reasons for experts to come to conclusions favourable to the defence. Any experts who provide testimony favourable to the defence are corrupt, incompetent or dishonest which is how C&V are described by Vixen. Corruption only exists with people who make decisions favourable to the defence and never from the prosecution side. A consequence of Vixen’s view that all police/prosecutors are honest, ethical, corruption by police/prosecutors don’t exist and never do anything wrong is that Vixen completely ignores corruption and incompetence by police/prosecutors and will slavishly support and defend police/prosecutors regardless of their actions. As can be seen from the links below, numerous abuses by the police/prosecutors in the case of Amanda and Raffaele. During the interrogations Amanda and Raffaele were denied access to lawyers, their interrogations were not taped, numerous Italian laws were broken, the prosecution fed false information to the media, engaged in the massive suppression of evidence, destroyed evidence, committed perjury and lied to Amanda she had HIV. In addition the police demonstrated incompetence.

Vixen’s view that police/prosecutors are always without exception honest and ethical is so fixed Vixen completely refused to acknowledge the massive level of corruption carried out by the police/prosecution. In a recent post Vixen said that Stefanoni did nothing wrong despite numerous the abuses described in the links below. Vixen bangs on about C&V, Hellman and the supreme court being corrupt but totally ignores actual corruption when it is committed by police/prosecutors.

http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/raffaeles-kitchen-knife/

http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/contamination-labwork-coverup/

http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/meredith-kercher-perjury-corruption/

http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/evidence-destroyed/

http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/blood-evidence-downstairs-apartment/

https://knoxsollecito.wordpress.com...old-about-amanda-knox-and-raffaele-sollecito/

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/myths.html

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=11071314#post11071314

https://amandaknoxauguriesofinnocence.wordpress.com/
 
I ran across this why looking for some related information. We've long known that TJMK isn't exactly honest in its information but this is just plain lying.

Barras explains in his article that Professor David Balding, a Professor of Statistical Genetics at University College London, has developed new software for interpreting Low Template DNA evidence.

This is true. However, Barras then goes on to make the following claim:

Using the software on data from Knox’s trial suggests that it was very unlikely that her DNA was at the crime scene.

In fact Professor Balding and his software suggested nothing of the sort. Professor Balding was referring specifically to an incomplete DNA profile on Meredith Kercher’s bra clasp which has never been at much issue.

He did not refer to all the other DNA evidence that was collected at the crime scene and presented as evidence in court.

It’s important to clarify what this crime scene actually is, because the defense forces of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito constantly move the goalposts in relation to this case depending on who they are talking about.
http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index...ly_implicating_sollecito_seems_to_have_the_de

These are all of the quotes including the words "crime scene" from Barras' article:

Software says Knox's DNA not on crime scene bra clasp

Weak, noisy and incomplete: it’s easy to see why the genetic profiles constructed from tiny traces of crime scene DNA can fail to meet the high standards needed for criminal courts. But these low-template DNA (LTDNA) profiles could prove useful, thanks to new software.

It compares a full DNA profile of a suspect with an incomplete DNA profile found at a crime scene. By incorporating factors such as the natural decay of a DNA sample, or the presence of DNA from another person entirely, the software can provide a probability score that a suspect was at the crime scene. Using the software on a sample from a bra clasp found near Kercher’s body suggests it is very unlikely that the item carries Knox’s DNA. Italy’s supreme court ruled in June that Knox and her then-boyfriend, Raffaele Sollecito, acquitted in 2011, should be retried for the murder.
Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/articl...a-not-on-crime-scene-bra-clasp/#ixzz643m6it2n

Nowhere in the article does Barras state what TJMK claims. He specifically addresses the bra clasp and it alone.
 
Today is Nov. 1, the 12th anniversary of Meredith Kercher's cruel and horrible death. Let us remember her and her family.


I had actually forgotten about the date, although there was something niggling in the back of my mind about All Saints' Day. So thank you for that. I will remember them.
 
I had actually forgotten about the date, although there was something niggling in the back of my mind about All Saints' Day. So thank you for that. I will remember them.

So has TJMK as they have posted nothing at all regarding the 12th anniversary of Meredith's death as of 4:55 PM New York time or 10:55 PM Finnish time.
But it's 'all for Meredith', right?
 
(The forum's (or rather, the forum software's) clock appears to be slow by several minutes.....)
 
(The forum's (or rather, the forum software's) clock appears to be slow by several minutes.....)

Yes, it is. Rather like the parking garage clock in Perugia.

By the way, whenever I post in the Quick Reply, it's anything but quick. It takes about 45 seconds to post and then I get a message saying I have to wait 60 seconds between replies (which I've done). No trouble when I use the "reply to thread".

There's also a long delay whenever I try to click on the 'go to advanced reply'.

Anyone else having these issues?
 
Not at the moment, though I believe I have noticed similar in the past.


ETA: That's bizarre, this actual post did it when I tried to post it! So it's not just you.
 
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So has TJMK as they have posted nothing at all regarding the 12th anniversary of Meredith's death as of 4:55 PM New York time or 10:55 PM Finnish time.
But it's 'all for Meredith', right?


Finnish time?

It's currently 10.16pm in Italy. Wow - another relevant time, since it's probably at around this very time 12 years ago that Kercher's two phones were thrown into Lana's garden (following the 10.13pm incoming MMS alert). By Guede.
 
Yes, it is. Rather like the parking garage clock in Perugia.

By the way, whenever I post in the Quick Reply, it's anything but quick. It takes about 45 seconds to post and then I get a message saying I have to wait 60 seconds between replies (which I've done). No trouble when I use the "reply to thread".

There's also a long delay whenever I try to click on the 'go to advanced reply'.

Anyone else having these issues?



Yes, me. I would imagine everyone else is too. It's a feature, not a bug...... :rolleyes:
 
Odd. I've been having this problem for quite some time.

ETA: I see LJ is also aware of it so it's not just me.


Ironically it actually did it when I tried to post that post (see edit) so it definitely isn't just you. But it wasn't doing it to me earlier this evening.
 
You do know that even a defence expert geneticist Vinci, found Knox' DNA, together with Guede's on Mez' bra fabric re sample 165B?

Objective neutral scientific results puts Knox at the crime scene with Guede.

That nonsense again?
See: Continuation Part 21: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito
Le nostre osservazioni, per quanto sopra premesso ed in particolare in relazione alla nostra diversa intepretazione dei picchi definiti dalla Dott.ssa Stefanoni quali "stutter bands" portano a ritenere:
- per il marcatore D8S1179, la definizione degli alleli 11 (pur essendo di poco al di sotto della soglia), 12 e 14, farebbe emergere la compatibilità con i genotipi della Knox (11/12) e di Guede (14/14);
- per il marcatore D21S11, la definizione dell'allele 29 in aggiunta a quelli definiti nel profilo indicato dalla Dott.ssa Stefanoni, identifica la compatibilità con i genotipi della Knox (29/30) e di Guede (29/29);
- per il rnarcatore CFS1PO, la nuova definizione del profilo evidenzia la compatibilita con il profilo della Knox (11/12);
- per il marcatore D3S1358, la nuova definizione del profilo evidenzia la compatibilita con i genotipi di Guede (15/16, sebbene il 15 sia di poco al di sotto della soglia di 50 RFU) e della Knox (15118, sebbene il 15 sia di poco al di sotto della soglia di 50 RFU);
- per il marcatore THO1, la nuova definizione del profilo evidenzia la compatibilità con il genotipo della Knox (6/8) e di quello del Guede (7/9, ove però I'allele 7 può essere solo ipotizzato perché mancano le caratteristiche relative all'area, alla definizione allelica ed all'altezza del picco);
- per il marcatore D13S317, si evidenzia la compatibilita con i genotipi della Knox (11/13, ove però I'allele 11 può essere solo ipotizzato perché mancano le caratteristiche relative all'area, alla definizione allelica ed all'altezza del picco);
- per il marcatore D16S539 si evidenzia la compatibilità con il genotipo della Knox (1 0/11) e con il genotipo di Guede (9/11, ove pero I'allele 9 può essere solo ipotizzato perché mancano le caratteristiche relative all'area, alla definizione allelica ed all'altezza del picco);
- per il marcatore D2S1338, l'analisi del nuovo profilo evidenzia compatibilità
con il genotipo del Guede (16/23) e con il genotipo della Knox (18/20, ove il 18 puo essere solo ipotizzato perché al sotto della soglia di 50 RFU);
- per il marcatore D19S433, l'analisi del nuovo profilo evidenzia compatibilità
con quello della Knox (13/16,2, sebbene quest'ultimo possa essere solo ipotizzato perche mancante delle informazioni necessarie alla sua definizione) e con quello del Guede (13/14.2, sebbene quest'ultimo possa essere solo ipotizzato perché mancante delle informazioni necessarie alla sua definizione);
- per il marcatore TPOX, l'analisi del nuovo profilo evidenzia compatibilità
con quello della Knox (8/8) e con quello di Guede (8/9);
- per il marcatore D18S51, l'analisi del nuovo profilo evidenzia compatibilità
con quello dello della Knox (13/17) e con quello di Guede (14/15);
- per il marcatore D5S818, l'analisi del nuovo profilo evidenzia compatibilità
con il genotipo della Knox (13/13) e di Guede (12/13);
SINTESI CONCLUSIVA
Sulla base di quanto osservato si sottolinea la superficialità nell'attribuzione degli alleli e la complessità intrinseca dell'interpretazione di una mistura costituita, a nostro avviso, da almeno 3 diversi DNA, oltre a quello della Kercher.
Nel considerare gli alleli e le aree sottese per ciascun picco è evidente come esse siano l'espressione di svariate combinazioni genotipiche in aggiunta a quelle ritenute compatibili. In relazione a quest'ultimo aspetto, è opportuno sottolineare che alla luce del nuovo profilo da noi ottenuto, considerando gli alleli precedentemente omessi, si evidenzia la compatibilità con ulteriori profili genetici diversi da quello di Raffaele Sollecito; in particolare questi profili genetici risultano compatibili con alcuni marcatori attribuiti a Amanda Knox e Rudy Guede.
NotEvenWrong ( Continuation Part 21: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito post #187):
[...]Translated conclusion (google translate):
Based on what you observed in the allocation emphasizes the superficiality of the alleles and interpretation inherent complexity of a mixture consisting, in our opinion, at least three different DNA, as well as that of Kercher.
In considering the alleles and the underlying areas for each peak it is evident as they are the expression of various genotypic combinations in addition to those deemed compatible. In relation to the latter, it should be noted that in light of the new profile we got, considering the previously omitted alleles, it highlights the compatibility with further genetic profile different from that of Raffaele Sollecito; in particular these genetic profiles are compatible with some markers attributed to Amanda Knox and Rudy Guede.

i.e. there were a bunch of different profiles on there. Proving it was contamination as we have known all along. Whether we can conclude if one of the profiles in the DNA mixture was Amanda depends on a statistical analysis; which depends on number of matching loci, their positions, and peak height/quality. Given that Dr. Balding did such a statistical analysis and did not conclude Amanda was in the profile we know that either a) it wasn't Amanda's profile (i.e. it was a mixture of the other 4 individuals that happened to match Amanda at a small subset of the loci) or b) it was inconclusive and we cannot determine if Amanda's profile was in there.

Yes Vixen, this piece of evidence is worthless (even for Rudy). It could have been contamination even for him. This is due to the failure to collect the bra clasp immediately and not kick it around the room for 46 days. Luckily Rudy admits he was there, his bloody hand print and shoe print were at the crime scene, his DNA was in other spots including Meredith's purse and Meredith's vagina, and we know he broke in because a rock was thrown through a window and that's how Rudy broke into places in his recent past. So the bra clasp does not change our estimate of Rudy's guilt. Thanks for playing.
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WHAAAAAAAAT? Vixen presented misinformation that was debunked years ago? No! Say it ain't so!
Haha, anything debunked by FOAKer chin dribbler nutters must be true. :thumbsup::D
Vixen this was literally refuted (by me, and probably others) in March 2016. Methos, who is the man by the way (or woman), somehow remembered the exchange and posted the link. We cited David Balding and others, and your interpretation of Vinci was TOTALLY wrong. So like move on and find another thing to make up. I'm sure you've got more lies in your Amanda Knox rolodex.

It's fascinating, isn't it? The links to the original document, the quote from the relevant pages and your translation should have been the end of the PGP talking point, that "even a defence expert geneticist Vinci, found Knox' DNA, together with Guede's on Mez' bra fabric re sample 165B?" back then in March 2016...

...just like the picture bagels posted in post #3837
Keep in mind Vixen believes Rudy's Nike shoeprint in Meredith's blood on her pillow is actually a lady's sized Asics shoeprint even though you can look at it with your own eyes and see that it is clearly and precisely identical to Rudy's shoeprints. [...]
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should have been the end of
Bear in mind the pro-Knox nutters believe the footprint was caused by Rudy practising a spot of Japanese Ivory Coast Origami - carefully folding the sheets to only make it look like a ladies size 37 ASICS.
the "Lady's size 37 Asics shoeprint on the pillow"...

...just like the listing of experts in TruthCalls's recent post
This is how Judge Massei summarized the opinions of the forensic pathologists that testified in his courtroom, as written in his MR:

Dr. Lalli (Massei pg 116) wrote:
He excluded, finally, that the biological data alone could indicate the presence and action of several people against the victim.

Dr. Liviero, consultant appointed by the Public Minister (Massei pg 119) wrote:
As for the dynamic of the homicide, with particular reference to whether the action was performed by one or more persons, Dr. Liviero ruled out the existence of scientific elements that would allow us to formulate a response to this question.

Professor Bacci, consultant appointed by the Public Prosecutor (Massei pg 122) wrote:
He indicated that the biological data did not allow for a determination of whether the injuries were caused by one person or by several people, claiming they were compatible with both possibilities

Professor Norelli, consultant for the civil party, (Massei pg 127) wrote:
All this led to the conclusion that one single person could not have carried out all the harmful actions which had occurred in this case.

Professor Introna, consultant for Raffaele Sollecito (Massei pg 137) wrote:
He also stated that the action was that of a single attacker.

Professor Torre, consultant for Amanda Knox (Massei pg 145) wrote:
He maintained that " in any case there is nothing there which could lead me to think that there was more than one attacker"

Prof Cingolani, expert appointed by the judge (GIP) (Massei pg 153) wrote:
He was unable to provide an explanation for such a disproportion, which he held to be compatible with the presence of more than one person, but also with the action of a sole person who acts in a progressive manner

So it's:
4 for "can't say"
2 for "one assailant"
1 for "more than one assailant"
should have been the end for Barbie Nadeau's "Countless forensic experts"...
TruthCalls seems to be quoting from this post from September 2014, the original compilation is from this post on IIP from February 2013... ;):p

... but still these (and other long since proven false PGP talking points) keep coming up in this whack a mole game... I wonder why?

FWIW, Methos how the hell do you keep track of that stuff. You remember literally everything and can drop truths and facts at the drop of a hat.
Well, I know how to use the board's search engine ;)

You're like the anti-Vixen.
LOL :D Take a closer look at my profile picture ;)
 
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Today is Nov. 1, the 12th anniversary of Meredith Kercher's cruel and horrible death. Let us remember her and her family.



Yes. It's so sad to realise that exactly 12 years ago to this very minute*, Meredith Kercher had just been killed (by Guede), and Guede - having just washed his hands/arms and clothing in the shower of the small bathroom - was getting ready to leave the cottage. In 1 minute from now (12 years ago) he would make the first of his two aborted short-code calls from Kercher's UK phone (almost certainly in a ham-fisted and failed attempt to turn the handset off). Pause for thought.


* Well that was the time in my original post earlier this evening.........
 
Vixen, any luck on both those quotes you claim exist?

1. Curt Knox claimed the PR campaign cost $2 million,
2. Vinci said Knox's DNA was on the bra clasp.
 
There is no evidence that the name "Pete" in 'for Pete's sake" refers to St. Peter.



No. In fact it's more likely to have been a diminution of "for pity's sake", which is more of a handful to say out loud. But some people never give up the chance of a good personal attack, eh?

And yes, Vixen. Please could you provide the evidence - that you said was readily available - to support your lie that the Knox family engaged in a "$2 million PR campaign". Or is it perhaps a further lie that this evidence even exists? (I mean, yes of course it is, but I still would like to see you admit that in writing....)
 
It's fascinating, isn't it? The links to the original document, the quote from the relevant pages and your translation should have been the end of the PGP talking point, that "even a defence expert geneticist Vinci, found Knox' DNA, together with Guede's on Mez' bra fabric re sample 165B?" back then in March 2016...

...just like the picture bagels posted in post #3837

should have been the end of
the "Lady's size 37 Asics shoeprint on the pillow"...

...just like the listing of experts in TruthCalls's recent post

should have been the end for Barbie Nadeau's "Countless forensic experts"...
TruthCalls seems to be quoting from this post from September 2014, the original compilation is from this post on IIP from February 2013... ;):p

... but still these (and other long since proven false PGP talking points) keep coming up in this whack a mole game... I wonder why?


Well, I know how to use the board's search engine ;)


LOL :D Take a closer look at my profile picture ;)

Er, Vinci being appointed by the defence is of course going to try to make light of the fact of his objective neutral scientific findings show Guede and Amanda Knox' alleles on the bra fabric. How convenient they were just below the legal standard in Italy. In the USA and UK it would have been enough to convict.

Her underwear, YOUR DNA.
 
Yes. It's so sad to realise that exactly 12 years ago to this very minute*, Meredith Kercher had just been killed (by Guede), and Guede - having just washed his hands/arms and clothing in the shower of the small bathroom - was getting ready to leave the cottage. In 1 minute from now (12 years ago) he would make the first of his two aborted short-code calls from Kercher's UK phone (almost certainly in a ham-fisted and failed attempt to turn the handset off). Pause for thought.


* Well that was the time in my original post earlier this evening.........

In your mind.
 
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