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The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 29

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You do know that even a defence expert geneticist Vinci, found Knox' DNA, together with Guede's on Mez' bra fabric re sample 165B?

Objective neutral scientific results puts Knox at the crime scene with Guede.

LOL Are you sure Harry Rag isn't one of your alter egos? That fool has tried to make that argument on several occasions, and has tried again just recently on youtube. And once again, he got humiliated.

You do realize that per the RTIGF provided by Stefanoni's own lab, this claim is thoroughly debunked, right? Do you really want to go down that path, trying to make an argument you can't win, or you want to stop right now and minimize the embarrassment?
 
You do know that even a defence expert geneticist Vinci, found Knox' DNA, together with Guede's on Mez' bra fabric re sample 165B?

Objective neutral scientific results puts Knox at the crime scene with Guede.

Still repeating that old line, I see.

Please quote VINCI saying KNOX'S DNA is on the bra. From what I've found on this, what he actually said was that there was DNA of "three individuals" and not Knox by name.

"The analysis of the profile [found on the bra] in our opinion shows clearly the presence of at least three individuals," according to forensic expert Francesco Vinci, retained by Mr Sollecito's legal team.

There was a "mix" of DNA with the strongest trace from Miss Kercher but also traces from other individuals, both male and female, making it "impossible or nearly impossible" to draw any firm conclusions from the evidence, said Professor Vinci.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wo...hers-bra-had-DNA-from-all-three-suspects.html

Even the sentencing report for Guede never mentions Knox's DNA on the bra but does mention Sollecito's.

Factual findings,
among which traces of Raffaele Sollecito DNA in the victim's bra, the piece of bra cleanly cut
seemingly with a knife, traces of Amanda Knox DNA on the handle of a knife found in the
home of the former, expert results that because of the morphology of the injuries, attribute
them to two different cutting weapons used by different individuals, and footprints not
attributable to Guede on the floor of the room where Meredith’s body lay, convinced the
appeal judges that several people acted together.
http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/The_Giordano_Sentencing_Report_(English)

The above is the court's reasoning on finding for multiple assailants. Note that Knox's DNA on the bra is not mentioned. Why is that?

Additionally, no court accepted Knox's DNA was on the bra. Dr. David Balding's computer program found that:

Using the software on a sample from a bra clasp found near Kercher’s body suggests it is very unlikely that the item carries Knox’s DNA.

https://www.newscientist.com/articl...a-not-on-crime-scene-bra-clasp/#ixzz63y2wecuR
 
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It's not hate. The idea of Amanda Knox putting herself up as an agony aunt is macabre, sad and inappropriate.

Sure, Vix. Sure. You just keep telling yourself that. Twelve years of relentless hate-mongering against her says otherwise.
 
Still repeating that old line, I see.

Please quote VINCI saying KNOX'S DNA is on the bra. From what I've found on this, what he actually said was that there was DNA of "three individuals" and not Knox by name.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wo...hers-bra-had-DNA-from-all-three-suspects.html

Even the sentencing report for Guede never mentions Knox's DNA on the bra but does mention Sollecito's.


http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/The_Giordano_Sentencing_Report_(English)

The above is the court's reasoning on finding for multiple assailants. Note that Knox's DNA on the bra is not mentioned. Why is that?

Additionally, no court accepted Knox's DNA was on the bra. Dr. David Balding's computer program found that:



https://www.newscientist.com/articl...a-not-on-crime-scene-bra-clasp/#ixzz63y2wecuR

Knox is mentioned by name as are the identifying alleles. However, I suspect Vinci being a defence-appointed scientist was paid to keep schtum about it or play it down.
 
Knox is mentioned by name as are the identifying alleles.

Excuse me if I don't just take your word for it. Link to said identification by name by Vinci.

I notice you fail to respond to the fact that NO COURT accepted Knox's DNA was on the bra. Why is that, Vix? Did they just forget to mention it?

However, I suspect Vinci being a defence-appointed scientist was paid to keep schtum about it or play it down.

And I suspect you can't provide a Vinci quote that Knox's DNA was on the bra.

ETA: Just as you can't provide a quote from Curt Knox claiming it was a
$2 billion PR campaign either.
 
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Knox is mentioned by name as are the identifying alleles. However, I suspect Vinci being a defence-appointed scientist was paid to keep schtum about it or play it down.



And of course the brilliant Stefanoni somehow didn't identify Knox's DNA profile on the bra clasp either. Was she also paid to keep schtum about it or play it down, Vixen?
 
Knox is mentioned by name as are the identifying alleles. However, I suspect Vinci being a defence-appointed scientist was paid to keep schtum about it or play it down.

Per the RTIGF from Stefanoni's lab there were 12 (out of 30) alleles that matched Amanda's profile. However, 9 of those also matched Meredith's. In other words, there were only 3 alleles, unique to Amanda's profile, found in the sample. That isn't worth the time to type this.
 
She just forgot to mention it along with the negative TMB test results.



Oh yes - of course! Silly me! Add to that the "Knox hair" found on Kercher's body. Damning evidence, I tells ya! I mean, you believe me when I just say that's what it was, without even one iota of reliable supporting evidence, dontcha? Also, I've been authorised to sell a large, tall iron-lattice tower in Paris for scrap, if you're interested in putting a security deposit into my account....?
 
You do know that even a defence expert geneticist Vinci, found Knox' DNA, together with Guede's on Mez' bra fabric re sample 165B?

Objective neutral scientific results puts Knox at the crime scene with Guede.

For Pete's sake, stop using the familiar name for the victim.

For Pete's second sake. AK and RS **were** at the crime scene. But not with Guede, who did the crime.

The issue is **when**. As the final acquitting court summarized, the only thing the prosecution(s) ever proved, even if all the stuff they'd presented was true, was that AK and RS was at that scene, later than the crime and in another part of the cottage than where it happened.
 
Oh yes - of course! Silly me! Add to that the "Knox hair" found on Kercher's body. Damning evidence, I tells ya! I mean, you believe me when I just say that's what it was, without even one iota of reliable supporting evidence, dontcha? Also, I've been authorised to sell a large, tall iron-lattice tower in Paris for scrap, if you're interested in putting a security deposit into my account....?

Sure! Just as soon as I'm finished helping that Nigerian prince who needs to get his late father's fortune out of Nigeria. Can't wait to get my share!
 
You do know that even a defence expert geneticist Vinci, found Knox' DNA, together with Guede's on Mez' bra fabric re sample 165B?

Objective neutral scientific results puts Knox at the crime scene with Guede.

That nonsense again?
See: Continuation Part 21: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito
Here is a machine readable version of the document posted on TMoMK. It looks like Prof Vinci is talking about "stutter bands" (page 8-12)
Le nostre osservazioni, per quanto sopra premesso ed in particolare in relazione alla nostra diversa intepretazione dei picchi definiti dalla Dott.ssa Stefanoni quali "stutter bands" portano a ritenere:
- per il marcatore D8S1179, la definizione degli alleli 11 (pur essendo di poco al di sotto della soglia), 12 e 14, farebbe emergere la compatibilità con i genotipi della Knox (11/12) e di Guede (14/14);
- per il marcatore D21S11, la definizione dell'allele 29 in aggiunta a quelli definiti nel profilo indicato dalla Dott.ssa Stefanoni, identifica la compatibilità con i genotipi della Knox (29/30) e di Guede (29/29);
- per il rnarcatore CFS1PO, la nuova definizione del profilo evidenzia la compatibilita con il profilo della Knox (11/12);
- per il marcatore D3S1358, la nuova definizione del profilo evidenzia la compatibilita con i genotipi di Guede (15/16, sebbene il 15 sia di poco al di sotto della soglia di 50 RFU) e della Knox (15118, sebbene il 15 sia di poco al di sotto della soglia di 50 RFU);
- per il marcatore THO1, la nuova definizione del profilo evidenzia la compatibilità con il genotipo della Knox (6/8) e di quello del Guede (7/9, ove però I'allele 7 può essere solo ipotizzato perché mancano le caratteristiche relative all'area, alla definizione allelica ed all'altezza del picco);
- per il marcatore D13S317, si evidenzia la compatibilita con i genotipi della Knox (11/13, ove però I'allele 11 può essere solo ipotizzato perché mancano le caratteristiche relative all'area, alla definizione allelica ed all'altezza del picco);
- per il marcatore D16S539 si evidenzia la compatibilità con il genotipo della Knox (1 0/11) e con il genotipo di Guede (9/11, ove pero I'allele 9 può essere solo ipotizzato perché mancano le caratteristiche relative all'area, alla definizione allelica ed all'altezza del picco);
- per il marcatore D2S1338, l'analisi del nuovo profilo evidenzia compatibilità
con il genotipo del Guede (16/23) e con il genotipo della Knox (18/20, ove il 18 puo essere solo ipotizzato perché al sotto della soglia di 50 RFU);
- per il marcatore D19S433, l'analisi del nuovo profilo evidenzia compatibilità
con quello della Knox (13/16,2, sebbene quest'ultimo possa essere solo ipotizzato perche mancante delle informazioni necessarie alla sua definizione) e con quello del Guede (13/14.2, sebbene quest'ultimo possa essere solo ipotizzato perché mancante delle informazioni necessarie alla sua definizione);
- per il marcatore TPOX, l'analisi del nuovo profilo evidenzia compatibilità
con quello della Knox (8/8) e con quello di Guede (8/9);
- per il marcatore D18S51, l'analisi del nuovo profilo evidenzia compatibilità
con quello dello della Knox (13/17) e con quello di Guede (14/15);
- per il marcatore D5S818, l'analisi del nuovo profilo evidenzia compatibilità
con il genotipo della Knox (13/13) e di Guede (12/13);
SINTESI CONCLUSIVA
Sulla base di quanto osservato si sottolinea la superficialità nell'attribuzione degli alleli e la complessità intrinseca dell'interpretazione di una mistura costituita, a nostro avviso, da almeno 3 diversi DNA, oltre a quello della Kercher.
Nel considerare gli alleli e le aree sottese per ciascun picco è evidente come esse siano l'espressione di svariate combinazioni genotipiche in aggiunta a quelle ritenute compatibili. In relazione a quest'ultimo aspetto, è opportuno sottolineare che alla luce del nuovo profilo da noi ottenuto, considerando gli alleli precedentemente omessi, si evidenzia la compatibilità con ulteriori profili genetici diversi da quello di Raffaele Sollecito; in particolare questi profili genetici risultano compatibili con alcuni marcatori attribuiti a Amanda Knox e Rudy Guede.
NotEvenWrong ( Continuation Part 21: Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito post #187):
[...]Translated conclusion (google translate):
Based on what you observed in the allocation emphasizes the superficiality of the alleles and interpretation inherent complexity of a mixture consisting, in our opinion, at least three different DNA, as well as that of Kercher.
In considering the alleles and the underlying areas for each peak it is evident as they are the expression of various genotypic combinations in addition to those deemed compatible. In relation to the latter, it should be noted that in light of the new profile we got, considering the previously omitted alleles, it highlights the compatibility with further genetic profile different from that of Raffaele Sollecito; in particular these genetic profiles are compatible with some markers attributed to Amanda Knox and Rudy Guede.

i.e. there were a bunch of different profiles on there. Proving it was contamination as we have known all along. Whether we can conclude if one of the profiles in the DNA mixture was Amanda depends on a statistical analysis; which depends on number of matching loci, their positions, and peak height/quality. Given that Dr. Balding did such a statistical analysis and did not conclude Amanda was in the profile we know that either a) it wasn't Amanda's profile (i.e. it was a mixture of the other 4 individuals that happened to match Amanda at a small subset of the loci) or b) it was inconclusive and we cannot determine if Amanda's profile was in there.

Yes Vixen, this piece of evidence is worthless (even for Rudy). It could have been contamination even for him. This is due to the failure to collect the bra clasp immediately and not kick it around the room for 46 days. Luckily Rudy admits he was there, his bloody hand print and shoe print were at the crime scene, his DNA was in other spots including Meredith's purse and Meredith's vagina, and we know he broke in because a rock was thrown through a window and that's how Rudy broke into places in his recent past. So the bra clasp does not change our estimate of Rudy's guilt. Thanks for playing.
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You do know that even a defence expert geneticist Vinci, found Knox' DNA, together with Guede's on Mez' bra fabric re sample 165B?

Objective neutral scientific results puts Knox at the crime scene with Guede.

Nope and nope.
 
Keep in mind Vixen believes Rudy's Nike shoeprint in Meredith's blood on her pillow is actually a lady's sized Asics shoeprint even though you can look at it with your own eyes and see that it is clearly and precisely identical to Rudy's shoeprints.

Every Vixen post in this thread should be initially collapsed under a spoiler tab, and you can agree to expand it and be exposed to it by acknowledging that the post is made by someone who believes:

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The shoe on the left did not make the print on the right. And in addition that the Italian Supreme Court decision on the case was rigged by the mafia because Knox's boyfriend's father's town allegedly was once home to someone from the mafia.

I think such a system would put all of Vixen's posts into more appropriate context.
 
Every Vixen post in this thread should be initially collapsed under a spoiler tab, and you can agree to expand it and be exposed to it...


You know the forum software provides you with a way of doing just that, don't you?

(Sorry, couldn't resist.)
 
Excuse me if I don't just take your word for it. Link to said identification by name by Vinci.

I notice you fail to respond to the fact that NO COURT accepted Knox's DNA was on the bra. Why is that, Vix? Did they just forget to mention it?



And I suspect you can't provide a Vinci quote that Knox's DNA was on the bra.

ETA: Just as you can't provide a quote from Curt Knox claiming it was a
$2 billion PR campaign either.

Just as I thought. You haven't seen Prof. Dott. Francesco Vinci's report.
 
And of course the brilliant Stefanoni somehow didn't identify Knox's DNA profile on the bra clasp either. Was she also paid to keep schtum about it or play it down, Vixen?

She did. You can see it on here. Knox DNA gene identifier D5S818. You can count ten allele peaks.

As you know, in Italy the legal standard is 11 alleles (in the UK and USA ten IIRC).

Her findings of a strong Raffaele Sollecito presence on the bra clasp hook was the main thrust of the prosecutor hard scientific evidence.

In any trial each party has to decide what the salient pieces of evidence are otherwise the trial is going to be totally unwieldy and lasting years if every little item is put forward. The court decides on the main issues.

So in a murder case important evidence is key rather than what colour socks the suspect might have been wearing that day, or weaker points.

In the Ruth Ellis trial there was no doubt she pulled the trigger so the case revolved around that.

As Vinci for the defence and the barristers for Sollecito and Knox didn't put forward these results as listed issues and the prosecution had enough hard evidence of Knox' and Guede's presence already and elsewhere it didn't make an issue out of it.
 

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