The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 29

[Vixen]

She just forgot to mention it along with the negative TMB test results.

You really believe everybody has the same standards as yourself.

 

[Vixen]

For Pete's sake, stop using the familiar name for the victim.

For Pete's second sake. AK and RS **were** at the crime scene. But not with Guede, who did the crime.

The issue is **when**. As the final acquitting court summarized, the only thing the prosecution(s) ever proved, even if all the stuff they'd presented was true, was that AK and RS was at that scene, later than the crime and in another part of the cottage than where it happened.

Is it appropriate for a man of the cloth to be disrespecting Saint Peter? You know the guy who holds the keys to the gates of heaven?

The prosecution proved its case fairly and squarely. The definitive murder convictions were safe and sound.

Lucky old Solly to have a rich daddy to pull strings to get his errant boy off the hook.

 

[Vixen]

WHAAAAAAAAT? Vixen presented misinformation that was debunked years ago? No! Say it ain't so!

Haha, anything debunked by FOAKer chin dribbler nutters must be true.

 

[Vixen]

Keep in mind Vixen believes Rudy's Nike shoeprint in Meredith's blood on her pillow is actually a lady's sized Asics shoeprint even though you can look at it with your own eyes and see that it is clearly and precisely identical to Rudy's shoeprints.

Every Vixen post in this thread should be initially collapsed under a spoiler tab, and you can agree to expand it and be exposed to it by acknowledging that the post is made by someone who believes:

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The shoe on the left did not make the print on the right. And in addition that the Italian Supreme Court decision on the case was rigged by the mafia because Knox's boyfriend's father's town allegedly was once home to someone from the mafia.

I think such a system would put all of Vixen's posts into more appropriate context.

Bear in mind the pro-Knox nutters believe the footprint was caused by Rudy practising a spot of Japanese Ivory Coast Origami - carefully folding the sheets to only make it look like a ladies size 37 ASICS.

 

[LondonJohn]

She did. You can see it on here. Knox DNA gene identifier D5S818. You can count ten allele peaks.

As you know, in Italy the legal standard is 11 alleles (in the UK and USA ten IIRC).

Her findings of a strong Raffaele Sollecito presence on the bra clasp hook was the main thrust of the prosecutor hard scientific evidence.

In any trial each party has to decide what the salient pieces of evidence are otherwise the trial is going to be totally unwieldy and lasting years if every little item is put forward. The court decides on the main issues.

So in a murder case important evidence is key rather than what colour socks the suspect might have been wearing that day, or weaker points.

In the Ruth Ellis trial there was no doubt she pulled the trigger so the case revolved around that.

As Vinci for the defence and the barristers for Sollecito and Knox didn't put forward these results as listed issues and the prosecution had enough hard evidence of Knox' and Guede's presence already and elsewhere it didn't make an issue out of it.

You really think that the prosecution wouldn't have stated that Knox's DNA was reliably found on Kercher's bra clasp (if that's what they thought they had found) for reasons of brevity?!

That one can be added to the long list of ridiculous pre-guilt rationalisations in this case

 

[LondonJohn]

Bear in mind the pro-Knox nutters believe the footprint was caused by Rudy practising a spot of Japanese Ivory Coast Origami - carefully folding the sheets to only make it look like a ladies size 37 ASICS.

Nope. It looked exactly like a portion of Guede's Nike trainer, Vixen. It's not anyone's fault that the prosecutors, convicting courts and pro-guilt zealots all cannot see what's clearly before their eyes. But once again, fortunately for justice, the Supreme Court was capable of this childishly-simple observation.

(And it wasn't on a sheet - it was on a pillowcase. And it wasn't folded, it was overlapping partial prints. Are you still this unfamiliar with the basic facts of this case, Vixen?)

 

[LondonJohn]

Just as I thought. You haven't seen Prof. Dott. Francesco Vinci's report.

Where in that report does he state that Knox's DNA was reliably found on the bra clasp, Vixen? I must have missed that part

 

[Numbers]

The number of STR loci analyzed by Stefanoni in her DNA profiling, according to her reported data for non-Y chromosome cellular nuclear DNA, were 15 loci*. For samples from males, she analyzed additional STR loci specific to the Y chromosome that is found only in the nuclei of cells from genetic males.

See: http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/dnaprofiles.html

Prior to 2017, the FBI standard (used for the CODIS database) was 13 STR loci.

As of 2001, the minimum European standard, set by Interpol for a register of sex offenders, was 7 STR loci. This minimum European standard set was increased to 12 STR loci in 2009.

There is also a standard set of Interpol STR loci including the 12 STR loci of the European set plus a 13th locus, Amelogenin. There are an additional identified 16 STR loci that are optional for the Interpol standard.

Source: https://publications.jrc.ec.europa....cience_for_policy_report_with_identifiers.pdf

pages 33-34

*The proper terminology is locus (plural, loci). Each STR locus has several possible alleles; an allele is a particular string of DNA that may be found at the locus.

 

[Bill Williams]

Her findings of a strong Raffaele Sollecito presence on the bra clasp hook was the main thrust of the prosecutor hard scientific evidence.

DNA is not time stamped. The issue is, when did that DNA get transferred to the tiny hook, and nothing else?

 

[TruthCalls]

She did. You can see it on here. Knox DNA gene identifier D5S818. You can count ten allele peaks. As you know, in Italy the legal standard is 11 alleles (in the UK and USA ten IIRC).
Her findings of a strong Raffaele Sollecito presence on the bra clasp hook was the main thrust of the prosecutor hard scientific evidence.

In any trial each party has to decide what the salient pieces of evidence are otherwise the trial is going to be totally unwieldy and lasting years if every little item is put forward. The court decides on the main issues.

So in a murder case important evidence is key rather than what colour socks the suspect might have been wearing that day, or weaker points.

In the Ruth Ellis trial there was no doubt she pulled the trigger so the case revolved around that.

As Vinci for the defence and the barristers for Sollecito and Knox didn't put forward these results as listed issues and the prosecution had enough hard evidence of Knox' and Guede's presence already and elsewhere it didn't make an issue out of it.

OK, so you're going to have to explain this to me, Vixen, because honestly, what you're showing here only works against you.

The chart on the left is the egram for the sample and is what is reported in the RTIGF. You'll note, for example, that for D5S818 the only alleles reported are 11, 12 (both belong to Meredith, no match for Amanda).

The chart on the right is a blow up of the last two loci, D5S818 and FGA, although I must admit I have no idea where this came from. If this is from sample 165B then you're clearly shooting yourself in the foot as this would be indisputable evidence of massive contamination (10 alleles from a single locus suggests a minimum of five contributors).

Re; the highlighted passage above - you are confusing loci with alleles. A minimum of 10 loci matching before a profile is considered a possible match. Each person has only two alleles for each locus, so pointing out 10 for one locus only supports the claim the sample is contaminated.

With that said, I've got a copy of three separate interpretations of sample 165B, the values reported in the RTIGF, an expanded view of all peaks 50 and above and all peaks, including those well below 50 RFU. In the most liberal interpretation (all peaks) there are only 3 alleles for D5S818; 11, 12, 13. So I have no idea what your chart is depicting but as far as I'm concerned it's not 165B

 

[TruthCalls]

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Her findings of a strong Raffaele Sollecito presence on the bra clasp hook was the main thrust of the prosecutor hard scientific evidence.
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And as a reminder, the amount of DNA attributed to Raffaele on the hook is not considered "strong" or "abundant", but is instead within the range to be considered LCN. Remember, it's not the total quantity of DNA contained in the sampe (and it would be good to know exactly how much that was but super tech Stefanoni couldn't recall the exact amount) but how much of that belongs to a particular person. Per Stefanoni's testimony it's estimated to have been roughly 140pg belonging to Raffaele, which is below the 200pg threshold to be considered LCN.

And to that point, do you have any theories to offer as to how come Raffaele's DNA would be 1:6 of Meredith's if he directly transferred his DNA? Remember, those hooks do not come in contact with the wearer's skin, and most women do not touch them when putting a bra on, so it's reasonable to conclude Raffaele's should have actually been in greater quantity than Meredith's, not the faint (relative to Meredith's) trace that was detected.

 

[NotEvenWrong]

Haha, anything debunked by FOAKer chin dribbler nutters must be true.

Vixen this was literally refuted (by me, and probably others) in March 2016. Methos, who is the man by the way (or woman), somehow remembered the exchange and posted the link. We cited David Balding and others, and your interpretation of Vinci was TOTALLY wrong. So like move on and find another thing to make up. I'm sure you've got more lies in your Amanda Knox rolodex.

FWIW, Methos how the hell do you keep track of that stuff. You remember literally everything and can drop truths and facts at the drop of a hat. You're like the anti-Vixen.

 

[bagels]

Nope. It looked exactly like a portion of Guede's Nike trainer, Vixen. It's not anyone's fault that the prosecutors, convicting courts and pro-guilt zealots all cannot see what's clearly before their eyes. But once again, fortunately for justice, the Supreme Court was capable of this childishly-simple observation.

(And it wasn't on a sheet - it was on a pillowcase. And it wasn't folded, it was overlapping partial prints. Are you still this unfamiliar with the basic facts of this case, Vixen?)

None of the convicting courts sided with this evidence, it's that bad. Though I think they should've had the prosecution cited for attempting to submit false evidence into court.

 

[Stacyhs]

Just as I thought. You haven't seen Prof. Dott. Francesco Vinci's report.

Just as I thought. What's next? Telling me to go look it up myself? You're pulling the 'Curt Knox-$2 million PR quote on the court steps go look it up' bit again. I'll remind you of your own words:



Like I said, why didn't a single court, including your beloved Massei, even mention Knox's DNA being on the bra? Riddle me that, Vix.

 

[Stacyhs]

You really believe everybody has the same standards as yourself.

Wow. My standards include a forensic scientist who is analyzing crime scene evidence to report all pertinent information to the court. That would include prints that the prosecution claims are in the victim's blood having tested negative for blood. Or do your standards disagree with that?

I'll go out on a limb here and state that the courts would agree with me.

 

[Stacyhs]

Is it appropriate for a man of the cloth to be disrespecting Saint Peter? You know the guy who holds the keys to the gates of heaven?

The prosecution proved its case fairly and squarely. The definitive murder convictions were safe and sound.

Lucky old Solly to have a rich daddy to pull strings to get his errant boy off the hook.

Reality is calling, Vix. I suggest you pick up the receiver.

When you have to resort to claiming a murder case with intense international coverage resulted in an acquittal due to one of the suspect's father's being rich...

Besides, I thought it was mafia, Masonic, and US interference that got them off.

 

[bagels]

From Vixen's point of view Raff's family easily rigged the initial local appellate court, then when that didn't work rigged the national supreme court, and nobody in all of Italy batted an eye or made critical commentary on the apparently wrongful acquittal. This suggest Italy is so corrupt murder verdicts can be swayed by corruption at will and the entire court system has zero integrity and everybody is aware of it. But apparently, what can never be corrupt, and is very cornerstone of honor, is the local police and prosecutors.

Imagine viewing reality through the lens of Vixen.

 

[Stacyhs]

Bear in mind the pro-Knox nutters believe the footprint was caused by Rudy practising a spot of Japanese Ivory Coast Origami - carefully folding the sheets to only make it look like a ladies size 37 ASICS.

Bear in mind that all of the above is just another absurdity you made up. Not a single court accepted R and B's analysis. Why? Because Vinci clearly disproved Rinaldi and Boemia's ASICS claim with his presentation. Overlays of a Nike Outbreak 2 perfectly matched the bloody print.

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[Stacyhs]

From Vixen's point of view Raff's family easily rigged the initial local appellate court, then when that didn't work rigged the national supreme court, and nobody in all of Italy batted an eye or made critical commentary on the apparently wrongful acquittal. This suggest Italy is so corrupt murder verdicts can be swayed by corruption at will and the entire court system has zero integrity and everybody is aware of it. But apparently, what can never be corrupt, and is very cornerstone of honor, is the local police and prosecutors.

Imagine viewing reality through the lens of Vixen.

Don't forget how easily all the defense experts and even those experts who were not directly involved in the case were also bought off...'bent' and who 'prostituted' themselves for some reason only TJMK and Vixen can figure out.

Only the convicting courts were immune to the pressures of Dr. Sollecito, the mafia, the Masons and the US State Dept.

 

[Stacyhs]

Today is Nov. 1, the 12th anniversary of Meredith Kercher's cruel and horrible death. Let us remember her and her family.