Cont: The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 27

[acbytesla]

The commenter on TJMK doubled down there with this insane claim by providing 3 pictures of Marriott at the airport. One was the photo of Marriott on the tarmac (which Vixen posted here) and two of Marriott at the news conference where Amanda thanked everyone. Somehow, this is evidence that Marriott chartered the flight. With evidence of this caliber, I could "prove" that the Pope murdered Kercher. After all, he was in Italy at the time.

Stupid is as stupid does.

Of course pictures of Marriott at SeaTac is evidence Marriott was at SeaTac and nothing else. That his Seattle PR firm helped set up a small press conference at SeaTac is highly probable.

As for chartering a jet which just happens to be two commercial flights, can you say 'ridiculous'?

 

[Stacyhs]

Stupid is as stupid does.

Of course pictures of Marriott at SeaTac is evidence Marriott was at SeaTac and nothing else. That his Seattle PR firm helped set up a small press conference at SeaTac is highly probable.

As for chartering a jet which just happens to be two commercial flights, can you say 'ridiculous'?

'Ridiculous' is not strong enough a word. This is closer to denial.

Finally there is a peculiar type of 'Denial' we are witnessing nowadays, whereby seemingly intelligent and sane adults vehemently deny truths despite a body of irrefutable data.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/our-emotional-footprint/201512/the-denial-reality

In the psychological sense, denial is a defense mechanism in which a person, faced with a painful fact, rejects the reality of that fact. They will insist that the fact is not true despite what may be overwhelming and irrefutable evidence.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/09/29/the_odd_body_denial/

 

[Stacyhs]

Pictured: PIP hangout spot on DM's private 747. You need at least 1000 posts on ISF to enter.

[qimg]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/02/17/25C16C0B00000578-2956915-The_large_seating_area_of_the_customised_Boeing_747_8_aircraft_t-a-11_1424176706025.jpg[/qimg]

Don't be surprised if someone photoshops a picture of Knox and Marriott sitting on the sofa considering the photoshopping some PGP are so childishly fond of.

 

[acbytesla]

'Ridiculous' is not strong enough a word. This is closer to denial.

Finally there is a peculiar type of 'Denial' we are witnessing nowadays, whereby seemingly intelligent and sane adults vehemently deny truths despite a body of irrefutable data
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/our-emotional-footprint/201512/the-denial-reality


https://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/09/29/the_odd_body_denial/

Tom Wolfe who wrote Bonfire of the Vanities and The Right Stuff just wrote a book denying evolution. How's that for proving your point. Darwin's theory of Evolution through Natural Selection has been so overwhelmingly proven it's embarrassing to one's intelligence to deny it. But Wolfe is an extremely accomplished author. He's not dumb. At least he wasn't at one time.

 

[codyjuneau]

No, it was Donnino's testimony that tells us about her efforts to establish a rapport with Amanda. Pay attention.

LondonJohn articulated very well why there can be no other interpretation for Donnino bringing that up to Amanda except to try to coerce an 'alternate reality' that the police admittedly already thought they knew to be the truth.

I noticed you've not offered up an alternate explanation for her saying this to Amanda. What you did say (in case you forgot) was;



This kind of response from you is so incredibly predictable. Were you present at the interrogation (you weren't) and, if not (so this applies to you) how could you possibly have any idea whether it had an effect or not? You can't. Yet you make this claim because you MUST downplay an obvious ethical violation that clearly exposes the intent of the interrogators. This also implies you don't believe coercive interrogations (which this clearly was) can result in false confessions, or statement in this case.

Then you try to divert attention with a blatant lie. Amanda never claimed amnesia.

Yes, she did. See her court testimony. She was asked if she had ever had amnesia before. Whereupon she immediately forgot the question and asked for it to be repeated. She replied no.

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I gotta say Vixen, I'm losing a lot of respect for MENSA.

Cody
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[Vixen]

Keep digging, Vix!

From WTBH pg 454:
Chris and a supporter who worked for the airline had secured us three business-class seats, so that I would be safe to relax on the plane, and family could be up there with me. Many journalists had managed to book last-minute seats on the flight, but the flight attendants, alerted to our situation, kept them from approaching the upstairs part of the plane.

You should go to work for a shovel company.

NO ONE except a couple die hard PGP who are drowning in their own confirmation bias believes this "chartered plane" nonsense for one good reason: it's not true. Which is why you've presented NO evidence of it.

From the TELEGRAPH 05 Oct 2011 :

The Knox family has hired a leading Seattle PR firm, Gogerty Marriott, to handle bids which are expected to be as much as $10 million (£6.5 million) for her first TV interview since she was cleared of murdering Meredith Kercher.

So, there we have the cynical PR guys greedily rubbing their hands together. No consideration for the victim's family or ethics, bearing in mind, the case was still live.

It is truly mind-boggling how the PR guys could only see dollar signs:

Miss Knox, who was due to land in Seattle in the early hours of this morning, was given a taste of the celebrity lifestyle that could await her when she passed through Heathrow yesterday.

After getting off a flight from Italy, Miss Knox and her family were ushered into a waiting BMW and taken to the airport's Windsor Suite, normally reserved for members of the Royal family and Government ministers, to wait for her British Airways flight to Seattle.

The airport owner BAA said it had given the Knox family the use of the lounge to avoid "disruption" to other passengers from any media scrum.

Miss Knox, together with her parents, her sister Deanna and her best friend Madison Paxton, flew business class on the BA flight, in seats costing around £5,000 each. BA staff prevented other passengers from speaking to the Knox family. A steward was stationed at the entrance to one of the business class sections, telling other passengers no one was allowed in "on the captain's orders".

During the flight Miss Knox was offered a choice of meals including smoked salmon and trout roulade, beef with rosti potatoes and chicken kiev with tomato and artichoke sauce, with complimentary champagne from the bar. They were expected to face the media in a press conference when they landed.

Prof Paul Levinson, a media expert at Fordham University, said: "We're talking about a fee of anything up to $10 million. This is up there with OJ Simpson and Monica Lewinsky. "It's a story made in heaven for anyone to retail. She was innocent and she is beautiful – you couldn't ask for a better confluence of ingredients."

Miss Knox is also expected to sell the rights to her memoirs, which she is reported to have been writing in prison.

Jonathan Kirsch, a leading publishing attorney, said she could get an advance of as much as $10 million (£6.5 million). "This is a rare example of a crime story with an attractive and highly sympathetic figure at the centre," he said. "It would be hard to design a better bestseller."

Donald Trump, the property magnate who has offered the Knox family financial support during the trial and appeal, predicted Miss Knox would become "a big star".

Er, the pair were found guilty after a long, fair merits trial, and this conviction, for Aggravated Murder, was upheld by the Appeal Court.

Was it appropriate in 2011 to treat this fairly convicted felon, who has never done anything for anyone, as some kind of a sports star?

 

[Vixen]

This is just sad Vixen. It demonstrates a ridiculous type of thinking.

Those ARE scheduled flights. The news report said a connecting flight out of London that lands in Seattle at 5:15. Want to know what regularly scheduled flight lands in Seattle every day at 5:15? That would be British Airways 747 flight 49. I provided a link to raw Associated Press footage of the British Airways 747 carrying Amanda Knox landing at SeaTac.


There were many journalists on the flight. That 747-400 can accommodate 416 passengers in a typical three-class layout, 524 passengers in a typical two-class layout. It could be 90 percent full and still have 50 empty seats. So I guess it could still be easy to book last minute flights.

What is sad about this absurdity of yours is that it is consistently illogical. If you can't review the evidence I provided that blows your claim out of the water and say I that you, Vixen were 100 percent in error, then no wonder you think Knox was involved.

This was simple Vixen. The raw Associated Press footage titled 'Amanda Knox Plane arrives in Seattle' showing a British Airways 747' landing in Seattle that was published on YouTube the day Amanda returned should have been more than enough for you to come to the conclusion it was not a charter. But i went way farther. I provided Google links to the flight schedules of British Airways flight leaving both Rome and Seattle and video footage of Amanda in Rome with the signage for the flight to London and a news report.

And yet you still don't really acknowledge that you were wrong. You just pivot to a wild speculation.

Again, I ask that you demonstrate some grace and maturity and say that you Vixen was wrong about the flight and that you will never ever return to this absurdity.

OK, fair enough.

 

[LondonJohn]

OK, fair enough.

STILL can't bring yourself to actually write the words "Sorry, I was wrong" or a similar variant, can you?! Instead, it's always minimising language such as "Fair enough", "Soz", or some other way of avoiding actually biting the bullet and owning up properly using proper words. Soooooooooo telling.

 

[Stacyhs]

From the TELEGRAPH 05 Oct 2011 :

The Knox family has hired a leading Seattle PR firm, Gogerty Marriott, to handle bids which are expected to be as much as $10 million (£6.5 million) for her first TV interview since she was cleared of murdering Meredith Kercher.

So, there we have the cynical PR guys greedily rubbing their hands together. No consideration for the victim's family or ethics, bearing in mind, the case was still live.

It is truly mind-boggling how the PR guys could only see dollar signs:

Miss Knox, who was due to land in Seattle in the early hours of this morning, was given a taste of the celebrity lifestyle that could await her when she passed through Heathrow yesterday.

After getting off a flight from Italy, Miss Knox and her family were ushered into a waiting BMW and taken to the airport's Windsor Suite, normally reserved for members of the Royal family and Government ministers, to wait for her British Airways flight to Seattle.

The airport owner BAA said it had given the Knox family the use of the lounge to avoid "disruption" to other passengers from any media scrum.

Miss Knox, together with her parents, her sister Deanna and her best friend Madison Paxton, flew business class on the BA flight, in seats costing around £5,000 each. BA staff prevented other passengers from speaking to the Knox family. A steward was stationed at the entrance to one of the business class sections, telling other passengers no one was allowed in "on the captain's orders".

During the flight Miss Knox was offered a choice of meals including smoked salmon and trout roulade, beef with rosti potatoes and chicken kiev with tomato and artichoke sauce, with complimentary champagne from the bar. They were expected to face the media in a press conference when they landed.

Prof Paul Levinson, a media expert at Fordham University, said: "We're talking about a fee of anything up to $10 million. This is up there with OJ Simpson and Monica Lewinsky. "It's a story made in heaven for anyone to retail. She was innocent and she is beautiful – you couldn't ask for a better confluence of ingredients."

Miss Knox is also expected to sell the rights to her memoirs, which she is reported to have been writing in prison.

Jonathan Kirsch, a leading publishing attorney, said she could get an advance of as much as $10 million (£6.5 million). "This is a rare example of a crime story with an attractive and highly sympathetic figure at the centre," he said. "It would be hard to design a better bestseller."

Donald Trump, the property magnate who has offered the Knox family financial support during the trial and appeal, predicted Miss Knox would become "a big star".

Er, the pair were found guilty after a long, fair merits trial, and this conviction, for Aggravated Murder, was upheld by the Appeal Court.

Was it appropriate in 2011 to treat this fairly convicted felon, who has never done anything for anyone, as some kind of a sports star?

Nice try at diversion. NONE of what is written above has jack to do with the false claim that Marriott chartered a plane for Knox. NONE.

But let's look at the article anyway.

There were THREE business seats although the article implies there were five. It also implies they paid $5,000 each for those seats but there is no evidence they did so. They merely stated how much those seats normally cost. Even if the seats were bought for that amount, it means nothing.

The AIRPORT OWNER arranged for them to use the Windsor suite for very sound reasons. If you have a problem with that, take it up with BAA. Of course, I'm sure you'd refuse the suite if offered to you, right?

Gogerty-Marriott were doing their job. You seem to have a problem with them doing their best for their client.

Knox wrote a best seller. Maybe if you try real hard and concentrate on writing, you may someday be able to achieve that. Hmmm...on second thought...

The pair were definitively acquitted of the murder for 'not having committed the act'. You seem to have some amnesia yourself about that fact.
I suspect your head is going to explode when the ECHR rules in her favor.

 

[acbytesla]

OK, fair enough.

STILL can't bring yourself to actually write the words "Sorry, I was wrong" or a similar variant, can you?! Instead, it's always minimising language such as "Fair enough", "Soz", or some other way of avoiding actually biting the bullet and owning up properly using proper words. Soooooooooo telling.

I know right? I asked her to say she was wrong about the charter and promise not bring it up again. Does she do that? No, not even close. Cause you know, that in a couple of months Vixen will return to this.

 

[bagels]

Vixen: Why is Amanda Knox being treated like a star!!!

*Has personally made 10,000 posts about her and reads about her life constantly*

 

[LondonJohn]

From the TELEGRAPH 05 Oct 2011 :



So, there we have the cynical PR guys greedily rubbing their hands together. No consideration for the victim's family or ethics, bearing in mind, the case was still live.

It is truly mind-boggling how the PR guys could only see dollar signs:



Er, the pair were found guilty after a long, fair merits trial, and this conviction, for Aggravated Murder, was upheld by the Appeal Court.

Was it appropriate in 2011 to treat this fairly convicted felon, who has never done anything for anyone, as some kind of a sports star?

1) Do stop using the tedious construction of "merits trial" as if a) you know what it actually means in any case, and b) it somehow minimises or invalidates the role and remit of HIGHER COURTS. Why do you think higher courts actually exist, Vixen? In your strange old world, they would be completely and utterly pointless, since only the fabled "merits court" was actually able to adjudicate the case properly (that's arrant nonsense, by the way, in case you were wondering...).

2) You've used some impressive sleight-of-hand - even by your extraordinary standards - to retroactively impose the Nencini appeal court verdict upon the case in 2011 (To those who actually have a commitment to truth and intellectual honesty: the return to Seattle by Knox - on scheduled airlines all the way - was following the acquittals of the Hellmann appeal court. Oh but if we're in the habit of talking higher courts, Vixen, do you remember that EVEN HIGHER court which acquitted Knox and Sollecito and entirely annulled their convictions in perpetuity? Oh yeah, I forgot: THAT court was infiltrated by "the Mafias" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

3) As I understand it, the seats for Knox and her family between Rome and Seattle (via London) were actually provided to the family by British Airways (no doubt partly as some form of altruism and partly with positive publicity in mind for BA). I guess that was Knox's or Marriott's "fault" as well, huh....?

4) It's clear (to anyone capable of critical thinking, that is....) that the media quickly figured out which flight Knox and her family were going to be taking from London to Seattle. And it's equally clear that there was significant capacity on that flight - capacity which was soon taken by media companies placing their journalists onto the flight, in the obvious hope of being able to get access to Knox (the biggest story in town, especially in the UK and US, at that moment in time). So it made perfect and obvious sense (to anyone capable of critical thinking, that is...) that BA effectively cordoned off the upper deck for Knox, her family, and other trusted passengers: this was clearly the best - perhaps the only - way of giving Knox and her family a decent degree of privacy during the flight, as well (significantly) as giving all the other passengers on the flight a proper atmosphere of calm and order.



Please, SOMEONE, come and make some intellectually-robust, intellectually-honest pro-guilt arguments on this thread (assuming, of course, that such arguments even exist....)

 

[bagels]

2) You've used some impressive sleight-of-hand - even by your extraordinary standards - to retroactively impose the Nencini appeal court verdict upon the case in 2011

Yeah i got a good laugh out of that one. We are reaching Vixen levels never before thought possible.

 

[acbytesla]

Nice try at diversion. NONE of what is written above has jack to do with the false claim that Marriott chartered a plane for Knox. NONE.

But let's look at the article anyway.

There were THREE business seats although the article implies there were five. It also implies they paid $5,000 each for those seats but there is no evidence they did so. They merely stated how much those seats normally cost. Even if the seats were bought for that amount, it means nothing.

The AIRPORT OWNER arranged for them to use the Windsor suite for very sound reasons. If you have a problem with that, take it up with BAA. Of course, I'm sure you'd refuse the suite if offered to you, right?

Gogerty-Marriott were doing their job. You seem to have a problem with them doing their best for their client.

Knox wrote a best seller. Maybe if you try real hard and concentrate on writing, you may someday be able to achieve that. Hmmm...on second thought...

The pair were definitively acquitted of the murder for 'not having committed the act'. You seem to have some amnesia yourself about that fact.
I suspect your head is going to explode when the ECHR rules in her favor.

Air fares are the bizzarrest items to price. If one is to book a last minute one way business class fare on British Airways at the last minute from Rome to Seattle, the fare is NOT cheap. A little over $4,000. That is dollars, not pounds. Still expensive. It's actually about $1,000 cheaper for round trip tickets? But frequent flyers can very often upgrade and trade in miles for upgrades. And what I find really strange is you can book that business class ticket from London to Seattle for between $700 to $1200 Now, I remember what I hate about flying.

So what they paid for the tickets? Who the hell knows? I give up.

 

[Vixen]

STILL can't bring yourself to actually write the words "Sorry, I was wrong" or a similar variant, can you?! Instead, it's always minimising language such as "Fair enough", "Soz", or some other way of avoiding actually biting the bullet and owning up properly using proper words. Soooooooooo telling.

What would you like me to do, commit Hara Kiri on national TV?

 

[Stacyhs]

Air fares are the bizzarrest items to price. If one is to book a last minute one way business class fare on British Airways at the last minute from Rome to Seattle, the fare is NOT cheap. A little over $4,000. That is dollars, not pounds. Still expensive. It's actually about $1,000 cheaper for round trip tickets? But frequent flyers can very often upgrade and trade in miles for upgrades. And what I find really strange is you can book that business class ticket from London to Seattle for between $700 to $1200 Now, I remember what I hate about flying.

So what they paid for the tickets? Who the hell knows? I give up.

True. I've seen them go for more than $5K and far less. Amanda did write, as I previously quoted, that Chris Mellas and a supporter who worked for BA were the ones who obtained the seats. This implies that they weren't just regularly paid tickets that could have been bought on the internet or a ticket agency. But some people just can't pass any opportunity to say something nasty about Knox whether they know what they're talking about or not...as in this case.

 

[Vixen]

Air fares are the bizzarrest items to price. If one is to book a last minute one way business class fare on British Airways at the last minute from Rome to Seattle, the fare is NOT cheap. A little over $4,000. That is dollars, not pounds. Still expensive. It's actually about $1,000 cheaper for round trip tickets? But frequent flyers can very often upgrade and trade in miles for upgrades. And what I find really strange is you can book that business class ticket from London to Seattle for between $700 to $1200 Now, I remember what I hate about flying.

So what they paid for the tickets? Who the hell knows? I give up.

I recently received an 'exclusive offer (spam) to fly to Seattle £249 return. It was very tempting.

 

[Stacyhs]

What would you like me to do, commit Hara Kiri on national TV?

He's told you quite clearly: admit that the plane was not chartered by Marriott or anyone else and that it was a regularly scheduled flight. Try this:

"I acknowledge that Knox and her family returned on a regularly scheduled BA flight and that Marriott did not send a chartered flight for them."

You can even C&P that if you find yourself choking while writing.

 

[Stacyhs]

I recently received an 'exclusive offer (spam) to fly to Seattle £249 return. It was very tempting.

Take it. You can call up Peggy Ganong and hide in the bushes outside Edda's house together.

 

[Vixen]

He's told you quite clearly: admit that the plane was not chartered by Marriott or anyone else and that it was a regularly scheduled flight. Try this:

"I acknowledge that Knox and her family returned on a regularly scheduled BA flight and that Marriott did not send a chartered flight for them."

You can even C&P that if you find yourself choking while writing.

As I said, acbytesla has argued his case well enough, so I'll give him the benefit of a doubt.