The Roe Countdown

[theprestige]

No. That's not how federal law and supreme court rulings work in the US. The only way to satisfy the condition, Roe v Wade is overturned, is if the supreme court issues a new ruling that overturns it. What Texas has done is something else. Texas is attempting to work around the restrictions placed on them by Roe v Wade, which is still very much in effect in Texas.

Sorry, there was a bit of hyperbole there. Another way to overturn Roe v Wade is to amend the constitution such that it obviates the ruling. Depending on exactly what points of law the ruling rests, it may also be possible to legislate the ruling into irrelevance.

But no, a state government cannot overturn a supreme court ruling, any more than they can abolish a federal law.

 

[kevbo]

... a state government cannot overturn a supreme court ruling, any more than they can abolish a federal law.

But apparently, in Texas, they can do an end-around with the help of the SC shadow docket. Totally not cool. How long before a challenge winds it way through the system? In the meantime, women are without services in Texas.

 

[The Atheist]

Republicans in six states rush to mimic Texas anti-abortion law

 

[Segnosaur]

I don't know why you insist on repeating this lie. Trump put three Justices on the SC giving them a 6 to 3 majority. Even had RBG retired early, Trump still would have gotten two seats, they'd have a 5-4 majority and would still be attempting this crap.

Republicans might still be attempting various stunts (like the texas anti-abortion law), but with Roberts being a potential swing vote, at least some of their stunts would fail. But with 5 hardcore conservatives, its a lot easier to push through crap like that.

Plus, it would have been easier to get a clear liberal majority on the court in the future. With 6 republican-nominated judges you would have to wait for 2 to die/retire (and this would have to happen diluring a democratic presidency) to tip the balance. That could take decades (if it ever happens). If RBG were replaced by obama, they would have only needed one conservative to die/retire (a much easier prospect).

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[JoeMorgue]

Something I want to address. Okay, real talk. This is going to get uncomfortable and it might make some people mad.

"The problem with abortion is men, men shouldn't get a say in abortion, hardy har let's give all the men vasectomies and see how they like it..."

62% of women say abortion should be legal in all/most cases.
56% of men say the same thing.

That's not a huge difference. Women are more pro-abortion than men on a demographic level, but not by anything but a very small margin. That's not enough of a disbalance in opinion to make it a gender issue (in the way the specific arguments I mentioned are framed, obviously the overall concept is gender-related)

Party affiliation, age, level of education, all are much, much, much, much better indicators of abortion rights support.

Ladies you have to face facts. Women speaking purely as a demographic are only a little more supportive of abortion than men are. We're talking about a difference of around 6% or so, barely outside the margins of error of most polling.

Demographically speaking your fellow women are not that much more on your side than men are. If you're in a room with 10 women, assuming a fair random distribution, 4 of them are going to be anti-abortion.

Simply as a matter of pure demographics educated, younger men are more "on your side" than uneducated older women.

 

[The Atheist]

Something I want to address.

Using statistics without in-depth analysis?

What number of those women are in Stockholm-syndrome-like states where they are so dominated by their husband and church that they think the way their husbands wants them to?

 

[TragicMonkey]

Using statistics without in-depth analysis?

What number of those women are in Stockholm-syndrome-like states where they are so dominated by their husband and church that they think the way their husbands wants them to?

Do you know many women? The person most likely to be judgmental about a woman's life choices (and everything else about her) is another woman.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Republicans in six states rush to mimic Texas anti-abortion law

FML

 

[Emily's Cat]

Something I want to address. Okay, real talk. This is going to get uncomfortable and it might make some people mad.

"The problem with abortion is men, men shouldn't get a say in abortion, hardy har let's give all the men vasectomies and see how they like it..."

62% of women say abortion should be legal in all/most cases.
56% of men say the same thing.

That's not a huge difference. Women are more pro-abortion than men on a demographic level, but not by anything but a very small margin. That's not enough of a disbalance in opinion to make it a gender issue (in the way the specific arguments I mentioned are framed, obviously the overall concept is gender-related)

Party affiliation, age, level of education, all are much, much, much, much better indicators of abortion rights support.

Ladies you have to face facts. Women speaking purely as a demographic are only a little more supportive of abortion than men are. We're talking about a difference of around 6% or so, barely outside the margins of error of most polling.

Demographically speaking your fellow women are not that much more on your side than men are. If you're in a room with 10 women, assuming a fair random distribution, 4 of them are going to be anti-abortion.

Simply as a matter of pure demographics educated, younger men are more "on your side" than uneducated older women.

I really appreciate you mansplaining to women how women feel about stuff. It's very helpful.

 

[JoeMorgue]

I really appreciate you mansplaining to women how women feel about stuff. It's very helpful.

Not everything a man says is "manslplaining."

 

[TurkeysGhost]

I really appreciate you mansplaining to women how women feel about stuff. It's very helpful.

Is joe wrong though?

The idea that conservative men are forcing anti-abortion legislation, much to the chagrin to all the women powerless to resist, is not supported by evidence.

The divide on the issue is largely ideological and religious, not gender based. The small divides based on gender (and age, race, and others) pales in comparison to the conservative/liberal ideological divide.

https://www.pewforum.org/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/

There is no shortage of conservative women celebrating this draconian restriction on their rights. Pretending otherwise is just engaging in fantasy.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Is joe wrong though?

No but I'm a man so that means I'm mansplaining. Or gaslighting. Or performing macroaggressions.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

No but I'm a man so that means I'm mansplaining. Or gaslighting. Or performing macroaggressions.

Women heading down to the polls in droves to elect theocratic state reps that are going to gut their reproductive rights are #girlbosses.

 

[JoeMorgue]

But less flippantly the point was simply that even IF women were the only ones allowed to make decisions about abortion, then abortion would be accepted... almost to the exact same level because women are roughly about as anti-abortion as men are.

 

[Olmstead]

Men are much more militant at hunting down the witches.

What do the percentages look like among people who actively care?

 

[JoeMorgue]

Men are much more militant at hunting down the witches.

What do the percentages look like among people who actively care?

How the **** am I supposed to quantify that?

"I have facts and figures that show men and women don't have radically different views on abortion."

"Okay but I'm still sure women don't mean it as much. Prove me wrong."

 

[DallasDad]

I don't understand the Texas law at all. At 6 weeks, it's an embryo, not a fetus. Also, at 6 weeks, there are no valves to pump blood, so hearing a heartbeat is utterly impossible. There are echo-like things that could sound like a heartbeat to an untrained tech, but they come from the sonogram machine itself.

 

[JoeMorgue]

I don't understand the Texas law at all. At 6 weeks, it's an embryo, not a fetus. Also, at 6 weeks, there are no valves to pump blood, so hearing a heartbeat is utterly impossible. There are echo-like things that could sound like a heartbeat to an untrained tech, but they come from the sonogram machine itself.

It's a troll law. It's not supposed to make sense.

 

[Ziggurat]

Men are much more militant at hunting down the witches.

Depends what you mean by "hunting". In the Salem witch trials, the accusations of witchcraft were primarily leveled by teenage girls.

 

[TragicMonkey]

Depends what you mean by "hunting". In the Salem witch trials, the accusations of witchcraft were primarily leveled by teenage girls.

Well, they had to have something to occupy their time, seeing how they weren't allowed to have recreational abortions like everyone except Texans can now.