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The Police & The Film-maker - Me!

chillzero said:
Well, regardless of opinion, The UK Film Council advises:
http://ukfc.artlogic.net/filmmaking/filmingUK/location/flmgpublic/
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Didn't NY City (or state?) try that same tactic to stop their police from getting caught on tape beating people?

This guy made a point in most of the videos that he was on his own property. And the only one that really included a bit of baiting was claiming he had a right to cross a police barricade. The rest of the incidents the police were only baited by the fact they saw him videotaping them.
 
Well, in the first video, the area is clearly cordoned off for a reason, and yes - he is obstructing an officer by not complying with the request. He causes two officers time, when they have to escort him from the clearly cordoned off area. He complains about having to give his name and address - would he prefer perpetrators could just return to crime scenes unhindered, and mess about with evidence?
Then he chosses to shout at an officer who is uninterested in his activities, as long as he is on the correct side of the tapes.

As to the second one... he is not entitled to film everything everywhere in public, as my previous link advised. I also feel that police officers have as much right as anyone else to go about their jobs without harrassment or being filmed. I don't think the female police officer responded well, but I don't think claiming to be a 'documentary film maker' gives someone a blank card to be a twit.

I am having some problems watching the other clips.

I notice his videos are tagged facism - I think a true facist state would ensure they didn't see the light of the internet, don't you? And since the cops know where he lives, he seems to have plenty of freedom of action.

ETA: He doens't seem to have been catching cops beating people either; from the clips I have seen they are just doing their usual job. I'm willing to b eproven wrong with the other clips, but it doesn't seem to me like there's anything untoward he needs to bring to the world's attention.
 
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Local Authorities
If you want to film anywhere other than on private land you will need to liaise with the appropriate local authority. Local authorities (also known as councils) have responsibility for public land, public buildings, roads and parking. <snip>

Police
Adequate notice must also be given in writing to the local police force about any filming activity in its jurisdiction. Again, the Screen Agencies can advise you of the relevant contact.
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WOW!

In the UK you must have permission to film servants of the public in public areas.
:jaw-dropp

Would this be the difference between citizen and subject?
 
If I was a witness to something, I would have a problem being taped by a stranger while trying to talk to the police, and an even bigger problem with it being posted on the net. Same thing if I was in trouble for something. Just a thought.
 
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Tailgater said:
If I was a witness to something, I would have a problem being taped by a stranger while trying to talk to the police, and an even bigger problem with it being posted on the net. Same thing if I was in trouble for something. Just a thought.
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Would it be acceptable for the State to film you?
 
chillzero said:
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As to the second one... he is not entitled to film everything everywhere in public, as my previous link advised. I also feel that police officers have as much right as anyone else to go about their jobs without harrassment or being filmed. I don't think the female police officer responded well, but I don't think claiming to be a 'documentary film maker' gives someone a blank card to be a twit.

I am having some problems watching the other clips.

I notice his videos are tagged facism - I think a true facist state would ensure they didn't see the light of the internet, don't you? And since the cops know where he lives, he seems to have plenty of freedom of action.

ETA: He doens't seem to have been catching cops beating people either; from the clips I have seen they are just doing their usual job. I'm willing to b eproven wrong with the other clips, but it doesn't seem to me like there's anything untoward he needs to bring to the world's attention.
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You can't exactly wait until after the police do something wrong to start your camera.

All I'm saying is that videotaping the police shouldn't bother them if they are doing no wrong. And if they are doing wrong it serves as a deterrent.

What harm is there videotaping them doing their job properly?
 
skeptigirl said:
You can't exactly wait until after the police do something wrong to start your camera.
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Ah, so you live in a state of constant paranoia that every police officer is just itching to jump on some poor innocent member of the public and beat them to death?

I don't see why there is the continued anticipation that they will do something wrong, and should therefore have every second of their job taped. And, I disagree anyway. It doesn't take long to get a camera going, particularly if you already have it out and are waiting with baited breath for something to 'kick off'. And my point here was that these police officers don't actually seem to be doing anything wrong.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of police officers, having had a few very negative encounters. But, I disagree with this style of harrassing someone in the process of doing their job. I also agree with a previous comment, that the police are dealign with either witnesses or perpetrators. Those people are entitled to their privacy and anonymity, and I believe it's illegal for their faces, etc to be shown without express permission.

skeptigirl said:
All I'm saying is that videotaping the police shouldn't bother them if they are doing no wrong. And if they are doing wrong it serves as a deterrent.

What harm is there videotaping them doing their job properly?
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Would it bother you? And, I'm not just talking about a camera setup somewhere near your desk, or wherever you work. How about a manually operated camera, with an operator who throws out the odd snarky comment about how you are doing your job. That would be ok with you?

Police officers are human, and therefore entitled to a decent work environment, and in view of the rest of the environment they often have to work in, I think privacy is a perk they deserve. Yes, they should be exposed if they do wrong. These guys weren't doing wrong.
 
JEROME DA GNOME said:
Do you find it acceptable for the State to film you in public?
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Well that has nothing to do with the question that you asked and I answered but I will answer it anyway.

It depends on why they are filming and what purpose it is used for and whether I was aware etc. I don't see why the government filming me is any better or worse than a private enterprise or individual filming me. I also wouldn't be happy if I was a police officer being filmed while I was lawfully conducting my business.
 
gtc said:
Well that has nothing to do with the question that you asked and I answered but I will answer it anyway.

It depends on why they are filming and what purpose it is used for and whether I was aware etc. I don't see why the government filming me is any better or worse than a private enterprise or individual filming me. I also wouldn't be happy if I was a police officer being filmed while I was lawfully conducting my business.
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Do you find it acceptable for you to film agents of the State in public?
 
fuelair said:
Are you very young (early teens at most) or are you challenged. I say this with no offense, merely noting your argument and your manner of making it.
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Instead of stating im wrong, state why im wrong.
Pointing out im wrong just becasue you feel you can just lets me know your opinion really doesnt matter.

Is it wrong to film infront of your house?
Is it illegal to film police passing bye your property?
Is it illegal to film police as they approach you while on your property.
Clearly not or he would have been arested.

The claim was made that he was baggering the police and i made the statement that other then the first video where i can see he could have been an annoyence, and gotten in the way of an investigation. He was in no way baggering the police.

Please if your going to insult me make a post that shows me why you are so much more intelligent. Otherwise i read it and think Jackass, possiblely a person who never got through high school. Below average comprehention. I say this with no offense, merely noting the lack of substance in your post.
 
JEROME DA GNOME said:
Do you find it acceptable for you to film agents of the State in public?
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If I had a very good reason to. I don't think that I would put it up on the internet though and I would think about how the public official felt about having their images captured.

Really, it comes down to me thinking that they are people as well as police officers.
 
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