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The Police & The Film-maker - Me!

So you've only made amateur youtube videos and you stalk police officers for a "living".

Great.
 
I can't comment on photographers' rights in the UK. I would suspect they are a bit more restrictive that the US, being drawn from a history of Crown laws.

I have a version of this document in my video bag:

http://www.krages.com/phoright.htm

Bunch of them in 3-fold handout form. Of course, it helps to remember that in the real world that your rights are whatever the nice police officer on the scene thinks they are at that moment. Real world considerations take priority over theoretical rights discussions.

Beanbag
 
Darren Pollard said:
Where did I accuse him of being corrupt? Those are your words mate, I never used those words in that vid so don't imply that I did. I suppose you're going to try to back it up now with some inane analogy when I said 'That was a bit of intimidation tactics that was.' Can't wait to hear it.
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Darren Pollard said:
I am not anti-police, but I am anti-corrupt police.
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:rolleyes:
 
OneShotKi11 said:
The first video is the only video where you can state he was being slightly out of line.
The rest were pretty much from his own dam house and garden.

Please someone explain to me what he did wrong filming in his dam garden?

I seen police approach him in almost every film for no reason what so ever except for the fact he was filming things.

You people are all insane if you call what he was doing harassment.

Its not illegal to do. Especially from his own property.
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Are you very young (early teens at most) or are you challenged. I say this with no offense, merely noting your argument and your manner of making it.
 
Should people be allowed to videotape police officers on duty, assuming it doesn't interfere in any way with doing their job? (As in crossing police barriers, calling out to distract them, etc.)

I vote yes. To videotape civilians requires their permission, because of privacy rights. But police officers on duty are part of the government. And the government should be subject to as much public oversight as possible, it has no right to privicay beyond what's necessary for national security.

The mere act of filming police officers on duty, subject to restraints like I mentioned above, and without violating the privacy of civilians, should be perfectly fine. It acts like an additional form of government oversight. And police officers complaining about it are as dangerous as an Executive branch complaining about Congressional oversight.

Government oversight, assuming it doesn't interfere with its job, is a good thing.
 
Pardalis said:
So you've only made amateur youtube videos and you stalk police officers for a "living".

Great.
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I wonder what stalking police officers pays. Not a hell of a lot, I suspect.
One of the curses of YouTube is before people,s power to inflict suffering with bad home movies was limited to their friends and family. Now their power to spread misery is endless.
And I love his defination of corrupt police: a cop who tells him to get behind a police street barrier.
Yuppers, I smell another wannabe anarchist at work.
Pathetic,just Pathetic.
 
Pardalis said:
You know, pointing a digital camera at someone doesn't make you a "film-maker".

How do you expect to make a living out of these things?
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I hear that the rent for basements is pretty cheap these days.
 
Darren Pollard said:
The Police - Your Freindly Guides
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfQrDK9YHas
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The police in this one really annoyed me.

"It's an offense."
"It's not an offense!"
"Yes it is."

Well, obviously it's not or they would have arrested/cited him. They made up this "It's an offense" bit on the spot!

When it looked like he might know this aspect of law better than they did, that's when they decided to radio in for instructions. They were clearly trying to use what they hoped was his ignorance of the law to intimidate him.

**** them.
 
...although the Masonic obsession does make you look like a bit of a looney.
 
I didn't watch the clips since I don't really care that much, but I take it from some of the comments that the film maker is perceived as baiting the police. My take is this - the police are not just "people" when they are acting as police and they do not have the right - acting in their professional capacity - to expect not to be irritated or antagonized or "baited" - if in fact that is what is going on. We have adopted this notion that merely irritating the police - not breaking the law - is sufficient justification for the police to take action against you. I think it's BS. It seems, not just in the US, since "9/11" we have deified law enforcement and all public service - the old "they are risking their lives for our protection" routine - and certainly it can be argued that at times they are, but both law enforcement and fire fighters are very far from being the most dangerous occupations and both of these groups receive all sorts of special consideration, both formal and informal, for their "sacrifice" as well as being generally well paid and with excellent benefits. My friend worked as a local policeman for 20 years - not terribly well paid, but certainly more than most around here - retired at forty with excellent benefits and pension.
 
I'm sorry, I can't get past the title screen of "The Police Stalk My Family & I".

It should be "The Police Stalk My Family & Me".

The trick to remember which to use is to remove the other party. Which sounds correct: "The police stalk I" or "the police stalk me"? Clearly, "me" is the correct option. Then you just stick the other party back in and it becomes "the police stalk my family and me".

Remember, hypercorrection is worse than being actually wrong. Just being ungrammatical can be excused as keepin' it real, or speaking in the vernacular. Hypercorrection, however, hints of that ultimate of sins, social climbery! For which the police would be right to beat you.
 
billydkid said:
I didn't watch the clips since I don't really care that much, but I take it from some of the comments that the film maker is perceived as baiting the police. My take is this - the police are not just "people" when they are acting as police and they do not have the right - acting in their professional capacity - to expect not to be irritated or antagonized or "baited" - if in fact that is what is going on. We have adopted this notion that merely irritating the police - not breaking the law - is sufficient justification for the police to take action against you. I think it's BS. It seems, not just in the US, since "9/11" we have deified law enforcement and all public service - the old "they are risking their lives for our protection" routine - and certainly it can be argued that at times they are, but both law enforcement and fire fighters are very far from being the most dangerous occupations and both of these groups receive all sorts of special consideration, both formal and informal, for their "sacrifice" as well as being generally well paid and with excellent benefits. My friend worked as a local policeman for 20 years - not terribly well paid, but certainly more than most around here - retired at forty with excellent benefits and pension.
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Next time your house catches on fire, call an fellow anarchist.
You seem to hate ANYBODY in an position of authority.
I guess you never heard about those Firefighters who walked in the twin towers on 9/11 to try to save lives and died as a result.
Yeah, firefighters are a bunch of overpaid leeches.
You have a LOT of growing up to ,kiddo.
 
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Vorticity said:
The police in this one really annoyed me.

"It's an offense."
"It's not an offense!"
"Yes it is."

Well, obviously it's not or they would have arrested/cited him. They made up this "It's an offense" bit on the spot!

When it looked like he might know this aspect of law better than they did, that's when they decided to radio in for instructions. They were clearly trying to use what they hoped was his ignorance of the law to intimidate him.

**** them.
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What makes you think police have to cite or arrest someone for violating a law? There are other options - warnings (verbal or written), filing a charge later, dealing with it administratively, or ignoring it if there is something more important going on. The fact that he wasn't immediately arrested isn't proof of anything.

Most states & federal agencies have specific laws or regulations regarding interfering with the performance of official duties. Definition of interference can be pretty broad - for example, necessitating an officer who could be doing something else keeping people behind the barrier. People barge through barriers either because they don't notice them or they don't care all the time, damaging evidence. There's no reason an officer shouldn't approach you in public to see what you are doing, either. There's nothing that says that for some reason officers are barred from doing what other normal people can do.
 
dudalb said:
Next time your house catches on fire, call an fellow anarchist.
You seem to hate ANYBODY in an position of authority.
I guess you never heard about those Firefighters who walked in the twin towers on 9/11 to try to save lives and died as a result.
Yeah, firefighters are a bunch of overpaid leeches.
You have a LOT of growing up to ,kiddo.
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You edited the above statist tirade?
 
egslim said:
Should people be allowed to videotape police officers on duty, assuming it doesn't interfere in any way with doing their job? (As in crossing police barriers, calling out to distract them, etc.)
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Well, regardless of opinion, The UK Film Council advises:
http://ukfc.artlogic.net/filmmaking/filmingUK/location/flmgpublic/

Local Authorities
If you want to film anywhere other than on private land you will need to liaise with the appropriate local authority. Local authorities (also known as councils) have responsibility for public land, public buildings, roads and parking. <snip>

Police
Adequate notice must also be given in writing to the local police force about any filming activity in its jurisdiction. Again, the Screen Agencies can advise you of the relevant contact.
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