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The Einstein Hoax?

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Are there any sites/threads that have countered the claims made on the articles below?
Proverbial "nails in the coffin" so to speak? It's oft part of a long-standing diatribe amongst anti-semites who repeatedly use the links below, usually one finds threads or sites that deal with controversial claims of science and in this case, the history of a famous physicist.

http://christianparty.net/einsteinplagiarist.htm
http://einsteinhoax.com/
 
Are there any sites/threads that have countered the claims made on the articles below?
Proverbial "nails in the coffin" so to speak? It's oft part of a long-standing diatribe amongst anti-semites who repeatedly use the links below, usually one finds threads or sites that deal with controversial claims of science and in this case, the history of a famous physicist.

http://christianparty.net/einsteinplagiarist.htm
http://einsteinhoax.com/

Stupid and wrong and, has been said, best ignored.

Is there anything else to be said?

I'm willing to deal with specific claims, but I'm not willing to read through someone's eye-watering site to find stuff to refute.
 
Well, at least one aspect of it is immediately and glaringly silly.

We are required to believe that Einstein plagiarized, amongst others, Schroedinger, Planck, Heisenberg, and Lorenz --- and that none of them pointed this out or objected to it. Why not? Were they all part of THE CONSPIRACY?

Or was his work different from theirs?

We might wonder how Einstein managed to get published, in scientific journals, when it would have been apparent to the editors that he was repeating the most famous work of the most famous physicists.

Or was his work different from theirs?

Einstein was feted by his fellow scientists. Why did they treat him with such esteem when all "his" work had been published previously by other scientists?

Or was his work different from theirs?

Moreover, he is supposed to have plagiarized work from Planck, Schrodinger, Heisenberg and Lorentz for which they are credited by historians of science, and for which they received Nobel prizes. All four men received Nobel prizes for the work allegedly stolen by Einstein. You might wonder why the Nobel Prize committee also chose to give Einstein two prizes for work which they had acknowledged as done by others.

Was this complete shambling idiocy on the part of the Nobel committee?

Or was his work different from theirs?

Here is a photograph of Planck, Schrodinger, Heisenberg and Lorentz not pointing out to the Fifth Solvay Conference that Einstein had plagiarized their work. The other guy front center is Lorentz.

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You might wonder why they give pride of place to a man who, having contributed nothing to physics, had stolen their work and passed it off as his.

Or was his work different from theirs?

In short, we must ask ourselves --- if Einstein's work was all stolen from physicists who were his contemporaries, why did those same physicists treat him as among the foremost of their number? And why do the first accusations come from someone who

(a) Is not a physicist
(b) Is writing a hundred years later
(c) Is a crackpot paranoid anti-Semitic nutjob
 
Thanks for the feedback, I might post more specific claims here shortly, depends on what pops up in other discussions.
 
And why do the first accusations come from someone who

(a) Is not a physicist
(b) Is writing a hundred years later
(c) Is a crackpot paranoid anti-Semitic nutjob

Not to mention that the claim is that Einstein can be refuted by someone with a command of freshman calculus and physics! :boggled:

I've had an instructor suggest that I won't really understand freshman mechanics until I've worked a 'help desk.' I'm hoping in the coming year to get a job in the department as any of: freshman lab assistant, help desk/tutor, or at least marker. I know the mistakes I've made approaching undergraduate physics (:(), now it might be instructive to see others'.

Regardless, I don't feel I have the intellectual tools to refute Einstein. I never bothered to finish reading the article.
 
All through history, you can see where people, around the same time, have similar thoughts. Eg, Newton and calculus. Newton was a genius, and so was Leibniz. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_calculus Does it matter so much who invented it? Both were brilliant minds. Newton gets the attribution, but it in no way diminishes the contributions and talent of both men. At the time that Einstein came along, there were already holes appearing in the 'Newtonian' physics, with many brilliant minds poring over them. Einstein was one, and he made his contribution. To say that his contribution was not worthwhile because others were also wondering about things is crazy. He was brilliant, he was intelligent enough to see the contributions of others and build on them, and he was so smart he couldn't be bothered with shoe laces. Good on him.

Einstein was not perfect, if you want him to be brilliant and perfect, you will be disappointed. But then you will be confusing evaluating him as a scientist and human being. As a scientist, he was a great achiever, as a human being, he is just one more of us.
 
This kind of exclusionary thinking is similar to the simplistic idea that every invention must have attached to it the name of one -- at most two, preferably closely connected -- people who invented it. Heavier-than-air flight? The Wright Brothers. Television? Zworykin, of course. Radio? Marconi. The Internet? Oh, no! I refuse to stoop that low. [edit: Everything else? Edison.]

[minirant] Zworykin made practical major parts of the kind of all-electronic television most people now alive are familiar with. But what about John Logie Baird, who demonstrated the first working television broadcast in the mid-1920s, and who was making test broadcasts using an incredibly crude (but working!) home-made electro-mechanical color television camera, transmitter, and reciever in his bedroom... while the London Blitz went on outside? =O.o= IIRC, after the war ended the BBC alternated (days? weeks? don't recall) between the Baird and electronic systems for quite some time; years, I think it was. His creation turned out to have limitations that all-electronic TV didn't, but for a long time this eccentric tinkerer -- who built his first apparatus from things like tea chests and biscuit (cookie) tins, held together with sealing wax and string -- managed to keep pace with one of the most powerful electronic research labs in the world (RCA).

And what would Baird have done if Nipkow hadn't invented his spirally perforated scanning disc earlier? And so forth. [/minirant]

Hem. Thank you. I feel much better now.
 
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I have seen too many sites like this. Since I teach relativity to my students, I did research a fair amount of sites on the web to find some background on his life and work. At times, I would find a site that would essentially criticize Einstein in varying degrees. Since it was typically ad hominem type attacks, I would mainly attribute it to anti-semitism. (I suppose stupidiy would be a second choice)

I did find--although I can't remember where--general agreement on General relativity...if Einstein did not publish it when he did, it probably would have been thirty years before it was accomplished.

glenn:)
 
All through history, you can see where people, around the same time, have similar thoughts. Eg, Newton and calculus. Newton was a genius, and so was Leibniz. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_calculus Does it matter so much who invented it? Both were brilliant minds.

It's not quite the same kind of case. Leibniz and Newton developed the calculus pretty much independently, and we give credit to both. The modern notation more resembles that of Leibniz.

People had been working on what would become Special Relativity for about three decades. Maxwell's Equations indicated that the speed of light didn't depend on the source of the light, and everybody knew something else that behaved this way: waves. They knew that if light were a wave, that Galilean/Newtonian relativity would break. Light was presumed to move through a luminiferous aether, and there should be an "aether wind" that affects light that could be detected. After the failure of the Michelson/Morley and subsequent similar experiments to detect such a wind to any degree greater than the errors in measurement, this was puzzling.

Lots of people contributed. Poincare' asserted that, due to MM, the principle of relativity should still hold and predicted a theory in which c would be a limiting value. Other people were working on a lot of things. Fitzgerald suggested that the null result would be obtained if the aether wind pushed on a bar in such a way that it contracted along the direction of travel through the aether. Lorentz, who had come up with the same idea, realized that time would be affected as well. The math that they came up with, happily, was right, so to this day we refer to the transformations of SR as the Lorentz/Fitzgerald transformations.

Everyone, however, was working with the idea of the ether wind. This had problems. For one thing, the Lorentz/Fitzgerald idea was purely ad hoc, or at least it was after the time change was introduced. For another, if the ether wind actually pushed on bars and clocks, it's hard to explain why it didn't stop the Earth and make it crash into the Sun a long time ago.

Einstein, however, suggested that the reason that the ether wind was undetectable was simply that it didn't exist. He realized that would only work if measurements of space and time themselves were relative. So he came up with what is now known as Special Relativity, just taking as stated postulates the principle of relativity and the fact that the speed of light didn't depend on the velocity of the source. (That it neither depended on the velocity of the observer can actually be derived from those two, but in any event, it was pretty well confirmed by Michelson/Morley.) Apparently, at the time Einstein was ignorant of Lorentz' work, but when he found out, he heaped lavish praise upon him.

So Einstein made this beautiful theory that only takes knowledge of the Pythagorean theorem to understand. Nobody else had been able to overcome the emotional prejudice that measurements of lengths and (especially) time were relative.

But he didn't get famous for that, and it's likely that someone else would have come up with SR in a decade or so. He got famous for General Relativity, which had no smoking gun, and which nobody else had thought of (though, once he got going, other people such as Hilbert and Noether helped out). But then it explained the precession of Mercury. And it's also a far greater achievment than SR.

And he also came up with the photoelectric effect and other quantum stuff, also in collaboration with others. This is why he got the Nobel prize.

Anyway, apart from the incredible, perhaps unprecedented brilliance and wide range of Einstein, it's a fairly typical scientific story. Everyone in the business knows who did what and apportions credit in a fair manner. Einstein deserved every millisimmons of groupie status he got.

Now, I personally think all those other people should be famous as well. But I'm not one of the people who are in charge of who gets famous.
 
Since I teach relativity to my students, I did research a fair amount of sites on the web to find some background on his life and work. At times, I would find a site that would essentially criticize Einstein in varying degrees.

I've been interested in "Einstein was wrong" sites since I started reading them at crankdotnet. Some of these sites may be motivated by antisemitism but most seem like cranks who'd like to think they're smarter than the big guy. The main value for me in reading these sites is the challenge to spot the fallacy in their so-called gedanken experiments. My primary reference is Martin Gardner's "Relativity Simply Explained".

Ferd
 
Are there any sites/threads that have countered the claims made on the articles below?
Proverbial "nails in the coffin" so to speak? It's oft part of a long-standing diatribe amongst anti-semites who repeatedly use the links below, usually one finds threads or sites that deal with controversial claims of science and in this case, the history of a famous physicist.

http://christianparty.net/einsteinplagiarist.htm
http://einsteinhoax.com/

A character in one of Douglas Adams' novels claimed that Newton didn't actually discover gravity, because it was there to be discovered. He flipped a coin in the air and said, "See? They even keep it on weekends."

Funny, but...no one claims Newton DISCOVERED gravity, he EXPLAINED gravity. Einstein did the same thing with special relativity, only his task was more difficult because he had to explain a bunch of baffling, seemingly unrelated observations, not something self-evident like gravity.
 
Funny, but...no one claims Newton DISCOVERED gravity, he EXPLAINED gravity.
No, he didn't. He just put it into more a scientific context.

Raphael said:
That should be "Whom did Einstein plagiarize?" "Plagarize" takes a direct object, not an indirect subject (whatever the heck that is).

Dr Adequate said:
Well, at least one aspect of it is immediately and glaringly silly.

We are required to believe that Einstein plagiarized, amongst others, Schroedinger, Planck, Heisenberg, and Lorenz --- and that none of them pointed this out or objected to it.
You call that silly? I have good evidence that Einstein in fact based his work on others'. For instance, modern research suggest that the Lorenz contraction was not invented by Einstein. And he stole the idea of Arabic numerals, too.
 
I've been interested in "Einstein was wrong" sites since I started reading them at crankdotnet. Some of these sites may be motivated by antisemitism but most seem like cranks who'd like to think they're smarter than the big guy. The main value for me in reading these sites is the challenge to spot the fallacy in their so-called gedanken experiments. My primary reference is Martin Gardner's "Relativity Simply Explained".

Ferd

I agree...it is always difficult to tell what is the motivation. A revisionist attitude seems prevalent at times.

glenn
 
EinsteinHoax (Ernest Wittke) puts his crap on sci.physics.relativity at least once a month. The same crap, over and over again.

He changes his moniker and the titles every so often to dodge the killfiles.
 
Hehe, look at this "well built" argument made by your average nazihalfwit.

Have you ever wondered why Einstein never contributed anything else after "Relativity"? Because he couldn't plagiarized anybody else's work.

Galton, a true genius, was continuously making significant contributions to his respective field for many years.
 
An addition to average anti-Einstein rethorics.

How would you respond?

Here's something to think about.

Who invented tensor calculus?

Did Einstein ever go to Italy?

Who taught Einstein tensor calculus?

Where did he get the ideas of tensor calculus?

What do you call a person who uses somebody else's ideas to support another idea and not give a citation?
 
An addition to average anti-Einstein rethorics.

How would you respond?

Striking the miscreant with an inflated pig bladder should do nicely. If that fails, one should escalate to a rolled-up newspaper.
 
In short, we must ask ourselves --- if Einstein's work was all stolen from physicists who were his contemporaries, why did those same physicists treat him as among the foremost of their number? And why do the first accusations come from someone who

(a) Is not a physicist
(b) Is writing a hundred years later
(c) Is a crackpot paranoid anti-Semitic nutjob
Bravo!
 
That should be "Whom did Einstein plagiarize?"
This is not only irrelevant, but unnecessary.

The who/whom distinction is rapidly obsolescing. In the context of message boards, there is no need to observe it.

The rule of not ending a sentence with a preposition was an invention of 18th century grammarians who sought to improve English by making it conform to Latin grammar. Fortunately for everyone concerned, this artificial and unnatural restriction has fallen into disrepute.

My Webster's New Universal Unabridged lists plagiarize as both transitive and intransitive.

Prepositions are notoriously fluid in English. There is no more reason to disallow "plagiarize from [someone]" because one may also say "plagiarize research" than there is to disallow "steal from [someone]" because one may also say "steal a chicken".

There is nothing wrong with the phrase "Who did Einstein plagiarize from?"
 

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