Axxman300
Philosopher
Why don't you interview the maintenance man at the Navy Annex who was almost killed when AA77 sheered off the upper part of the antenna he was working on at the time?
Best eye witness ever.
Best eye witness ever.
Then we came across a statement by a Naval historian talking to a Park Service director that the Navy had interviewed a Park Police helicopter pilot who claims he was ordered to intercept the incoming plane (AAL77) and try to "block it". Yet, we cannot find such a interview in the public domain. And of course the historian has to inject that the incident is not for public disclosure.
Now I don't know about ya'll, but I'd really like to hear that pilot's account.
Same here! I would be damn interested to read what he has to say. Even if it's just for curiosity's sake and nothing else.
Why don't you interview the maintenance man at the Navy Annex who was almost killed when AA77 sheered off the upper part of the antenna he was working on at the time?
Best eye witness ever.
As you know, I am rather anal when it comes to data. I dig into it until I root out every possible scenario. So this morning I located the individual data points in the original CDR file to make sure I was not looking at a parsing error or something. No, I did not have a parsing error and no problems with the positional calculations, since everything checked out in the raw file. However, as I stared intently at my computer screen and put on my engineering cap, blocked out my confirmation bias impulses, I reached this conclusion. I am only 5% certain now that they represent a real target, and about 95% certain that they are some kind of systematic artifact.
That and a quarter will not even buy a cup of coffee.
You pulled your own blog and did an iQuit, not for the first time. It was an inside job, Farmer, as my link outlines. No "hackers" involved.![]()
Sorry, it was a Border Patrol Asst. Chief he was interviewing at the time, Jeff Parsons. You'll find the account starting around page 30 of the transcript. Initially I shrugged it off as a reference to the COG helicopter (black and white) although he describes it as a blue and white Park Police helicopter. The COG helicopter was also 10 minutes earlier, but he insists he saw this one just 2-3 minutes before.
We located the interviews with the crews of Eagle 1 and Eagle 2, both of which took off after the event, so it was not them being referenced by the interviewer. In light of this new track, my curiosity has been renewed![]()
Sometimes the distinction between a truther and "truther" gets lost these days. So maybe this email I just sent a colleague on this subject will illustrate the difference.
So, bottom-line. This is an interesting target track, but that is all it is. There is nothing at that location within the expected error range (1/32 nmi, or 0.03125 nmi) to generate that kind (linear) of "clutter" pattern (as opposed to that generated by the debris cloud, the 14th St. Bridge or the large buildings in Crystal City). There is a 0.11 nmi separation between the extrema, and ~0.04 nmi between each individual data point. I thought perhaps the Citgo canopy might be the culprit, but the angles (headings) don't match and at least two are definitely outside the error range for that possibility.
I can't rule out a low altitude airborne target, but at the same time there are not enough data points to draw such a conclusion either. At this point I would say it has about as much chance of being AW Smith's aliens as it does a helicopter. Oh well.
Well, Border Patrol or not, it was still some rather specific testimony. If only that pilot could be identified.
Does anyone know who the "male interviewer" is? I'm sorry if he's been identified before, John, but I simply don't recall this at all, so it's new information to me. Anyway, I ask because I wonder if that interviewer is willing to either render more detail, or point someone else in a direction to get it.
Well, ignoring aliens (as well as how AW Smith got ownership of some), it'd still be interesting to see what comes of this. Regardless of the truther/"truther" distinction, the information in and of itself is worth uncovering.
In November 2001, Galey recalled Walsh saying, "We have a 757 down somewhere in the vicinity of the 14th Street Bridge," which goes over the Potomac River, near the Pentagon. [21] Later that month, Galey gave a slightly different account, recalling that Walsh said the control tower had "lost a 757 somewhere in the vicinity of the Pentagon." [22] But in January 2002, Galey said that Walsh specifically mentioned a plane hitting the Pentagon. Walsh supposedly said that "they had a 757 go into the Pentagon and they needed us to respond to the incident." [23]
And then, later that year, Galey gave a very different account. He recalled Walsh saying, "We have a 757 down on the north end of the airport," referring to Reagan Airport, which is about a mile away from the Pentagon. [24] Galey's fellow pilot, Keith Bohn, had earlier given a similar account. In November 2001, he said that in the initial phone call the aviation unit received about the attack, it was told there was "an aircraft down at the end of the runway at National Airport." [25]
A possible explanation for these conflicting accounts is that Galey had taken off before the Pentagon attack took place and therefore did not answer the call on the aircraft crash phone. Perhaps because he was ordered to keep quiet about his actual experiences from that time, Galey had been uncertain over what he should say instead, and so gave differing accounts when interviewed.
Nah, I try not to engage in fantasy.
Sometimes the distinction between a truther and "truther" gets lost these days. So maybe this email I just sent a colleague on this subject will illustrate the difference.
So, bottom-line. This is an interesting target track, but that is all it is. There is nothing at that location within the expected error range (1/32 nmi, or 0.03125 nmi) to generate that kind (linear) of "clutter" pattern (as opposed to that generated by the debris cloud, the 14th St. Bridge or the large buildings in Crystal City). There is a 0.11 nmi separation between the extrema, and ~0.04 nmi between each individual data point. I thought perhaps the Citgo canopy might be the culprit, but the angles (headings) don't match and at least two are definitely outside the error range for that possibility.
I can't rule out a low altitude airborne target, but at the same time there are not enough data points to draw such a conclusion either. At this point I would say it has about as much chance of being AW Smith's aliens as it does a helicopter. Oh well.

So most likely it was not anything real?
OK. I can accept that.![]()