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The Citgo Ghost

Hey BCR, the youtube doesn't work for me.

So a helicopter might have flown by the Pentagon? Am I missing the import of this news?
 
I recall around the time of the doubletree release an extended version showing what appears to be a helicopter flying right to left and another left to right. Cant find it now. your short clip above shows one such flight.
 
carlitos said:
Hey BCR, the youtube doesn't work for me.

So a helicopter might have flown by the Pentagon? Am I missing the import of this news?
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No real importance to most folks carlitos. However, as someone who has been working with the DoD and Justice departments for years to complete the video record, it is of historical interest. For years, the FBI told me (as you recall, I did the follow-up court case to Scott Bingham's) they did not have the Pentagon security system footage (except the gate camera we are all familiar with). They denied having the Sheraton Hotel footage even though I produced a witness from the Sheraton who claims they did take it (no reason they would not have). We still have not pinned them down on the Sheraton footage, but did find their property receipt for the Pentagon footage. Their response? They now at least admit they have a record of it in their system (which they lied and said they did not have in Bingham's and my court cases), but that they can't find the actual tapes and hard drive (whoops).

Well, that sort of thing just drives my curiosity. What is so darn important that they don't want to release the video record of the event? Of course conspiracy minded folks reach their conclusion, but I remain open-minded. Then we came across a statement by a Naval historian talking to a Park Service director that the Navy had interviewed a Park Police helicopter pilot who claims he was ordered to intercept the incoming plane (AAL77) and try to "block it". Yet, we cannot find such a interview in the public domain. And of course the historian has to inject that the incident is not for public disclosure.

Now I don't know about ya'll, but I'd really like to hear that pilot's account. I don't know what is so darn sensitive about it, but I personally want the full record. My focus has been on a little girl who was a passenger on that flight (Zoe Falkenberg). I just feel I owe it to her to get the full story told. Reckon most people don't care, but for some reason when I was at the opening of the Pentagon Memorial, seeing that stuffed animal on her marker just really made my research personal.

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Just another detail.
 
A W Smith said:
I recall around the time of the doubletree release an extended version showing what appears to be a helicopter flying right to left and another left to right. Cant find it now. your short clip above shows one such flight.
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I have the original (full) DVD set provided to Judicial Watch. This is the only helicopter it picked up. However, it is also captured by a dock camera on the east side of the hotel and that may be what you are recalling. If you live in the Arlington area, I donated that full set to the Arlington County Public Library. Crappy Youtube versions simply don't get the job done. I also provided them with the original VCR tape (copy) given to Scott Bingham by the FBI from the Citgo.
 
Childlike Empress said:
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"Hackers." Tee-hee!

Too funny, Farmer.
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Okay, CE, let me be more specific. A couple of buddies of yours of which one happens to work in the software industry (or did). But of no import, since the results are published the old fashioned way in black and white print.

I should add, CPT Bob at the time even shot me an email boasting about it. So you might think it is funny, but I really don't.
 
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BCR said:
Okay, CE, let me be more specific. A couple of buddies of yours of which one happens to work in the software industry (or did). But of no import, since the results are published the old fashioned way in black and white print.

I should add, CPT Bob at the time even shot me an email boasting about it. So you might think it is funny, but I really don't.
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You pulled your own blog and did an iQuit, not for the first time. It was an inside job, Farmer, as my link outlines. No "hackers" involved. :rolleyes:
 
Childlike Empress said:
You pulled your own blog and did an iQuit, not for the first time. It was an inside job, Farmer, as my link outlines. No "hackers" involved. :rolleyes:
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CE, and you'll note the reason I took it down. You are one of the couple of dozen folks left who make excuses for your old buddies. And then you link to them to make your case. They did a denial of service attack on it and managed to destroy the entire content database on the first effort. They did it a second time and I finally gave up and took it down. However, the record of which we speak was long before I shut it down and disavowed the "truth movement" (the biggest misnomer in recent history).
 
BCR said:
CE, and you'll note the reason I took it down. You are one of the couple of dozen folks left who make excuses for your old buddies. And then you link to them to make your case. They did a denial of service attack on it and managed to destroy the entire content database on the first effort. They did it a second time and I finally gave up and took it down. However, the record of which we speak was long before I shut it down and disavowed the "truth movement" (the biggest misnomer in recent history).
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Yet you boast in the OP about how proud you are to be a "truther", Farmer. Caught again inside your own web of deceit. I know that some people here cut you more slack than the average "truther", but that's just because you deliver something they want to hear. Sometimes. Good luck with your latest fairy tales, i'm sure they'll buy it! ;)
 
Childlike Empress said:
Yet you boast in the OP about how proud you are to be a "truther", Farmer. Caught again inside your own web of deceit. I know that some people here cut you more slack than the average "truther", but that's just because you deliver something they want to hear. Sometimes. Good luck with your latest fairy tales, i'm sure they'll buy it! ;)
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Yep, very proud to be a truther. Also very proud not to be part of the so called "truth movement" which has absolutely no interest in the truth.
 
BCR said:
No real importance to most folks carlitos. However, as someone who has been working with the DoD and Justice departments for years to complete the video record, it is of historical interest. For years, the FBI told me (as you recall, I did the follow-up court case to Scott Bingham's) they did not have the Pentagon security system footage (except the gate camera we are all familiar with). They denied having the Sheraton Hotel footage even though I produced a witness from the Sheraton who claims they did take it (no reason they would not have). We still have not pinned them down on the Sheraton footage, but did find their property receipt for the Pentagon footage. Their response? They now at least admit they have a record of it in their system (which they lied and said they did not have in Bingham's and my court cases), but that they can't find the actual tapes and hard drive (whoops).

Well, that sort of thing just drives my curiosity. What is so darn important that they don't want to release the video record of the event? Of course conspiracy minded folks reach their conclusion, but I remain open-minded. Then we came across a statement by a Naval historian talking to a Park Service director that the Navy had interviewed a Park Police helicopter pilot who claims he was ordered to intercept the incoming plane (AAL77) and try to "block it". Yet, we cannot find such a interview in the public domain. And of course the historian has to inject that the incident is not for public disclosure.

Now I don't know about ya'll, but I'd really like to hear that pilot's account. I don't know what is so darn sensitive about it, but I personally want the full record. My focus has been on a little girl who was a passenger on that flight (Zoe Falkenberg). I just feel I owe it to her to get the full story told. Reckon most people don't care, but for some reason when I was at the opening of the Pentagon Memorial, seeing that stuffed animal on her marker just really made my research personal.

[qimg]http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n525/John_Farmer/zoemarker.jpg[/qimg]

Just another detail.
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OK - Thanks.

(The youtube still doesn't work though)
 
Childlike Empress said:
Yet you boast in the OP about how proud you are to be a "truther", Farmer.
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Yes, and as the good truther that I am, I research and do original work. Here is some good stuff I got in today from the CIA.

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But, I don't think I'll even attempt to scan that stack of goodies. My scanner is a one-page-a-minute deal. In this electronic age, you think they would have the decency to send it in electronic format. But I reckon the government would rather waste taxpayer money on paper.
 
BCR said:
But, I don't think I'll even attempt to scan that stack of goodies. My scanner is a one-page-a-minute deal. In this electronic age, you think they would have the decency to send it in electronic format. But I reckon the government would rather waste taxpayer money on paper.
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It is far easier to hide the RFID chips in a giant stack of paper.

Duh.

;)
 
BCR said:
...But, I don't think I'll even attempt to scan that stack of goodies. My scanner is a one-page-a-minute deal. In this electronic age, you think they would have the decency to send it in electronic format. But I reckon the government would rather waste taxpayer money on paper.
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Bureaucrats changing FOIA in to LFOIA by imposition of access constraints.



LFOIA = LimitedFOIA
 
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