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Cont: The behaviour of US police officers - part 2

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Belz... said:
They let people out on bond AFTER the verdict? What kind of madness is this?

And what kind of sentence is he looking at? I mean, not if he were a regular person of course.
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Oh come on cut us some slack. We have so many people in prison we have a waiting to get into prison.

I'll google the details when I have more time but if I recall correctly a significant portion of people sentenced to prison wind up never actually going to prison because the prisons are full of black people who smoked the wrong plant or women who accepted money for sex instead of dinner, so they wind up serving their time in local jails, many of which aren't set up for long term stays.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
I have nothing more than a hunch, but I think there is a bit of a cultural shift on how the public views the police, and that is finally starting to have some impact in the court systems.
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A turning point for me was a TV show I saw, probably the 80s or early 90s, where a forced entry was shown. The police hollered an identification, something like "Police! Search warrant!" and then bashed in the door, rushed in and tore the place apart in front of what looked like a shell-shocked family, before realizing they had the wrong place, or there was nothing there, I forget which. But it shocked the hell out of me, especially finding out they didn't owe the homeowners anything for their error, that the family would bear the expense. The worst part about it was that the officers' body language was as with a well-practiced routine. They'd done this many times before.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Oh come on cut us some slack. We have so many people in prison we have a waiting to get into prison.

I'll google the details when I have more time but if I recall correctly a significant portion of people sentenced to prison wind up never actually going to prison because the prisons are full of black people who smoked the wrong plant or women who accepted money for sex instead of dinner, so they wind up serving their time in local jails, many of which aren't set up for long term stays.
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Sentenced to prison? Or sentenced to incarceration? As I understand it, it's typical for sentences of less than a year to be served in local jails, whatever the crime. I don't think authorities have ever hesitated to pack more inmates into overcrowded prisons when necessary.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
I'm not familiar enough with Alabama to know whether or not it is common for convicted murderers to be free on bond. It also strikes me as unusual.
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I believe it's not entirely uncommon for people to be out on bond, even after conviction, until they are actually sentenced. Not that it happens often for violent offenses, but it happens.
 
bonzombiekitty said:
I believe it's not entirely uncommon for people to be out on bond, even after conviction, until they are actually sentenced. Not that it happens often for violent offenses, but it happens.
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Strikes me as a bit foolish. Our murderer friend is looking at minimum 20 years and a very, very slim chance of winning his freedom by appeal.

Seems like the poster child for a flight risk that should not be allowed their freedom. Who cares about money when you're talking about the guarantee of a multi-decade prison stint?
 
More than 700 criminal cases have been thrown out and local prosecutors say hundreds more may be tainted after corruption was recently exposed in the Baton Rouge Police Department Narcotics Division.

An officer at the center of the scandal has been arrested twice, four high-ranking narcotics officers have been reassigned to different divisions, and the department is leading a criminal investigation into the drug unit’s possible wrongdoing.

According to WBRZ, the Baton Rouge TV station that broke news of the brewing scandal, narcotics officers planted drugs, made stops without probable cause, and targeted random Black and brown people for trumped-up charges as part of an arrest quota mandated by the division’s supervisors.
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More cops planting drugs on people to make false arrests.

https://atlantablackstar.com/2021/05/10/planted-drugs-stolen-evidence-arrested-cops-trumped-up-charges-hundreds-of-cases-dismissed-after-black-baton-rouge-narcotics-officer-reports-corruption-in-his-own-unit/
 
Aridas said:
Quite frankly, "arrest quota" is a fundamentally and deeply problematic practice, in and of itself.
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It is.

Don’t know if it has happened in the USA but we had “clear up rates” targets that caused totally foreseeable consequences such as crimes not being reported, people being forced to admit to dozens of crimes and so on.
 
It became inevitable when police forces starting becoming the only income provider for small rural towns.

There are towns that are, pretty much literally, completely funded via traffic stops on a mile long stretch of highway.
 
A close friend of mine spent his career as a uniformed patrol officer with NYPD. (He still says roughly half the officers he worked with never should have been appointed.) He told me a story about working in a precinct in a suburban-like area in eastern Queens. Their patrol commander, a lieutenant, had a quota for moving violation summons. It was a way to measure productivity, so many per month. At roll-calls he often berated officers who were not meeting the target. My buddy said a lot of the officers resented this and one of the guys asked:

"Lieutenant, what if we don't see violations, what are we supposed to do? Just pull people over at random and write them up?" He said the lieutenant eyed them for a minute and then said, "Yeah. If that's what you have to do, yes."

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The whole "Find some work to do" mentality from bosses/management is toxic as hell when you're just talking about mopping the floors. You try to apply it to policing and it become downright predatory.
 
newyorkguy said:
A close friend of mine spent his career as a uniformed patrol officer with NYPD. (He still says roughly half the officers he worked with never should have been appointed.) He told me a story about working in a precinct in a suburban-like area in eastern Queens. Their patrol commander, a lieutenant, had a quota for moving violation summons. It was a way to measure productivity, so many per month. At roll-calls he often berated officers who were not meeting the target. My buddy said a lot of the officers resented this and one of the guys asked:

"Lieutenant, what if we don't see violations, what are we supposed to do? Just pull people over at random and write them up?" He said the lieutenant eyed them for a minute and then said, "Yeah. If that's what you have to do, yes."

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In a functional system, the officer would be able to speak to HR and their union rep and say they were being demanded to expose themselves to administrative discipline and civil liability in order to issue invalid citations.

Of course, I imagine SO many people with law enforcement, HR, and union experience laughing their asses off right now.
 
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gnome said:
In a functional system, the officer would be able to speak to HR and their union rep and say they were being demanded to expose themselves to administrative discipline and civil liability in order to issue invalid citations.

Of course, I imagine SO many people with law enforcement, HR, and union experience laughing their asses off right now.
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In reality, snitching on the NYPD is an express ticket to targeted harrasment by the pigs. Officer Adrian Schoolcraft was illegally and involuntarily committed to a psych ward during a raid of his home when the NYPD found out he was a whistleblower about arrest quotas. He's lucky he wasn't murdered.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Schoolcraft#Raid_and_involuntary_commitment
 
My buddy said if an officer complained to Internal Affairs about a commander suggesting the officer issue false moving violation summons, it wouldn't go anywhere but the lieutenant would be informed of the accusation. The retaliation would come in things like assignments or time off requests. One issue he mentioned was an officer wanting to switch shifts with another officer. Or ask for emergency leave for a family emergency. Say the officer's father, who is retired and living in Arizona, has a heart attack. Not expected to make it.

Those requests have to be approved by the unit commander, in this case the patrol lieutenant. The lieutenant wouldn't turn them down but -- in typical organizational fashion -- he just wouldn't respond. Claim, "I never got it."
 
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