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Cont: The behaviour of US police officers - part 2

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JoeMorgue said:
It would have been quicker to type "The primary character trait of 99% of this board."
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Well actually, since there are a good deal of lurkers who never take an active role in the discussion, I find your numbers, and therefore your argument, to be totally invalid
 
I don't know the race of the person who owned the car in this video, but I don't care.

Our heroic men in blue!



Protect and serve? Nah, I'll just be a douchebag.
 
Police unions are inherently reactive. I could see a change like this happening if it became clear that police misconduct carried a decent risk of prosecution.
 
Belz... said:
I'll believe it when I see it. Talk is cheap.
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Same.

I'll to Google around and find it but one the Unions sent out a notice to its members and when stripped away all the flowery language and legal speak it essentially said "We recommend you at least put some attempt into trying to maybe at some point in the future consider starting to think about maybe not breaking the law."
 
JoeMorgue said:
Police unions shift stance on protecting bad officers

CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/17/us/police-unions-intervention-blueprint/index.html
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Floyd's death last May brought renewed attention to the idea of "active bystanders," a relatively new concept in law enforcement which calls for officers to intervene when they see wrongdoing. Other industries and trade unions have developed industry- or union-specific programs aimed at achieving the same goal: teaching colleagues to intervene when they see another worker behaving poorly or making mistakes.
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This sounds good until you start to get into the details of what they consider a mistake. As long as "shoot at the first sign of disobedience" is the norm this policy won't help and could make things worse.
 
pgwenthold said:
I'm more about this part:



The only "threat" made by the victim (Williams) was to commit suicide. And, in fact, his gun wasn't even loaded. He wasn't a threat to anyone.
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You have to understand their mindset. It is much like the standard 'conservative' in the US.

This cop stood up and tried to help someone without using a firearm. The other cops used their firearms to kill someone. In their eyes, this makes him the coward. Helping people when you could just use force means, to them, that you're too cowardly or weak to use violence to enforce your will. You see the people as peers who might need help, when they think you should see them as lesser than you because of your 'power'. The only reason to help people is to glorify yourself.

Their values are abhorrent.
 
More frequent and higher profile cases are straining some police union budgets and that translates into very real animosity in the ranks at the bad ones squandering away money that could be in the collective retirement benefits pool.

A lot of unions get some compensation from the city for that. If the city has proper procedures and can demonstrate discipline for known infractions, they should be able to put the whole cost back on the officer/union.

Similar solution to firearms insurance. Dumb gun owners cost all gun owners more money. Now good gun owners have an incentive to smack bad gun owners upside the head (ok, I can see why that's troublesome, but my point stands).
 
Matthew Best said:
How US police training compares with the rest of the world

More people are killed by police in the US than in any other developed country, and there are growing calls for improved training to reduce the use of lethal force.

We've looked into what training US police officers receive, and how it compares with other parts of the world.
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We also need better screening and selection. All the training in the world can't fix the fact that we don't do a good enough job of weeding out the bullies psychopaths.
 
What do you want the police to do, investigate crimes?

Moments after escaping serial killer Bruce McArthur on a warm June night in 2016, a male victim placed a frantic 911 call, describing how a consensual sexual encounter had suddenly turned into a fight for his life.

“He grabbed me by the throat, and put my arms behind my back,” the man told the 911 dispatcher, after he’d gotten into his car and began giving chase to a fleeing McArthur. “He tried to strangle me.”

The harrowing 911 call from June 20, 2016, was played for the first time at the Toronto police disciplinary tribunal Tuesday, where Sgt. Paul Gauthier — the officer who investigated the victim’s complaint and swiftly cleared McArthur — faces charges stemming from his investigation.

Gauthier has pleaded not guilty to one count each of insubordination and neglect of duty.

The 2016 incident happened 19 months before McArthur was arrested and eventually convicted of murdering eight men with ties to Toronto’s Gay Village between 2010 to 2017. The incident was the second time the serial killer came onto police radar in the midst of his killing spree; after Gauthier released McArthur, he murdered two more men, Selim Esen and Andrew Kinsman.
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https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2021/05/18/officer-released-bruce-mcarthur-with-no-follow-up-at-all-on-2016-victims-report-prosecutor-says.html
 
PHILADELPHIA DISTRICT ATTORNEY LARRY KRASNER TROUNCES POLICE-BACKED PRIMARY CHALLENGER

Krasner’s victory gives momentum to the movement to elect reformist prosecutors, which has faced fierce backlash from law enforcement groups.

FOUR YEARS INTO his experiment with reforming Philadelphia’s criminal justice system, Larry Krasner overwhelmingly won his primary race for reelection to the office of district attorney on Tuesday.

By late Tuesday night, Krasner was leading his Democratic primary challenger Carlos Vega by a nearly 2-1 margin, with about 117,000 votes counted. Vega conceded the race shortly before midnight, and Krasner is all but assured victory in the November general election.

“We in this movement for criminal justice reform just won a big one,” Krasner said in a victory speech. “Four years ago, we promised reform, and a focus on serious crime. People believed what were, at that point, ideas. Promises. And they voted us into office with a mandate. We kept those promises. They saw what we did. And they put us back in office because of what we’ve done.”

Vega, a former homicide prosecutor who was one of 31 staffers Krasner fired during his first week as district attorney, had run a campaign attacking Krasner’s policies as soft on crime and was boosted by one of the largest expenditures from the city’s police union in more than a decade.
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https://theintercept.com/2021/05/18/larry-krasner-carlos-vega-philadelphia/

Piggie candidate gets trounced by progressive prosecutor. You love to see it.
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
https://theintercept.com/2021/05/18/larry-krasner-carlos-vega-philadelphia/

Piggie candidate gets trounced by progressive prosecutor. You love to see it.
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IIRC, the Philadelphia Inquirer asked Vega a bunch of questions and how he would do things differently than Krasner. He wouldn't say which of Krasners policies he would get rid of, what he'd change, etc. Vega's platform essentially boiled down to "I am physically not Larry Krasner". The Inquirer opted to endorse Krasner.
 
Cops and domestic violence, name a more iconic duo.

A Boston police sergeant was arrested on an assault and battery charge and has been ordered by a judge to stay away from his wife and children, the Norfolk district attorney’s office said.
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https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/05/18/metro/boston-police-sergeant-arraigned-assault-battery-charge/?camp=bg%3Abrief%3Arss%3Afeedly&rss_id=feedly_rss_brief&s_campaign=bostonglobe%3Asocialflow%3Atwitter

Prosecutors asked for Dunford to be required to wear a GPS monitoring device and to surrender his firearms. The judge denied both requests.
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Of course. How's this guy gonna kill his wife if they take his gun?
 
Another mysterious cardiac arrest for a black man in police custody. Ronald Greene died in police custody after being savagely beaten and left face down in restraint. This occurred in 2019, but press is only now successful in getting the video released.

Be warned, the article contains graphic video that shows the police viciously abusing the deceased.

Louisiana state troopers were captured on body camera video stunning, punching and dragging a Black man as he apologized for leading them on a high-speed chase -- footage of the man’s last moments alive that The Associated Press obtained after authorities refused to release it for two years.

“I’m your brother! I’m scared! I’m scared!” Ronald Greene can be heard telling the white troopers as the unarmed man is jolted repeatedly with a stun gun before he even gets out of his car along a dark, rural road.

The 2019 arrest outside Monroe, Louisiana, is the subject of a federal civil rights investigation. But unlike other in-custody deaths across the nation where body camera video was released almost immediately, Greene’s case has been shrouded in secrecy and accusations of a cover-up.
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https://apnews.com/article/ronald-greene-death-louisiana-eca021d8a54ec73598dd72b269826f7a

Greene wails “I’m sorry!” as another trooper delivers another stun gun shock to his backside and warns, “Look, you’re going to get it again if you don’t put your f---—- hands behind your back!” Another trooper can be seen briefly dragging the man facedown after his legs had been shackled and his hands cuffed behind him.

Instead of rendering aid, the troopers leave the heavyset man unattended, facedown and moaning for more than nine minutes, as they use sanitizer wipes to wash blood off their hands and faces.

“I hope this guy ain’t got f------ AIDS,” one of the troopers can be heard saying.
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