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TERFs crash London Pride

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BBC News: Pride in London sorry after anti-trans protest

"Members of lesbian and feminist group Get The L Out demanded to march behind the rainbow flag, which marks the start of the event, organisers said.

The group believes lesbian rights are attacked by the trans movement.

Pride said their behaviour on Saturday was "shocking and disgusting".

It said they could not forcibly remove the small group as their protest was not a criminal offence, adding "we are sorry".

A statement said: "The protest group showed a level of bigotry, ignorance and hate that is unacceptable." "
 
Humans find reasons to hate other humans for being different. More News at 11.
 
A very negligible minority! "... the actions of 8 people ...".
 
Information Analyst said:
Indeed, they suggest the existence of transwomen is "forcing" lesbians to have sex with "men," while transmen are really butch lesbians being "forced" into transition.
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I don't understand the problem. They assert that lesbians are same-sex attracted females. And that females do not have penises. That was all they did.

I've seen plenty of times that women like this are labeled "TERFS" and vilified for not being willing to accept transwomen as female sex partners. What is wrong with accepting reality? What is wrong with having sexual boundaries?
 
Zygar said:
I've seen plenty of times that women like this are labeled "TERFS" and vilified for not being willing to accept transwomen as female sex partners. What is wrong with accepting reality? What is wrong with having sexual boundaries?
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That's not the issue. It's never been the issue.

If you think it is, please highlight some examples.
 
I thought the issue was that generally trans people are trying to fit into a specific gender and not just saying to the world that 'this is me, accept it or offski'.

the other parts of the movement are saying 'this is me, accept it or offski'.

the accusation is that trans are therefore conservative or something and shouldn't be in the group, who knows.
 
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This is what every body keeps telling the alt left will happen when you insist on putting everyone into groups
 
From the trans point of view, at what point in the transition are they properly entitled to recognition as a lesbian for sexual purposes?

After they identify but before they start transitioning?

After starting the transition, but before any SRS?

Ever?

Is there any reason the lesbian in question should *not* be the only arbiter of what origin stories she's willing to consider in her sexual partners?

Right now, the thing has a bit of an incel feel to it, for lack of a better word. Transwomen acting like they're entitled to sex, and damn these women for not doing the right thing and putting out.
 
I Am The Scum said:
That's not the issue. It's never been the issue.

If you think it is, please highlight some examples.
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I'm not going to claim they are bringing the issue up in good faith, but the group from the OP did give examples in their leaflets (see second page here). The debate on the cotton ceiling is a real one even among trans activists.

This article seems give give a broad and balanced overview of the other issues, particularly in the UK.
 
Cotton ceiling seems like a weird name for it.

It's unfortunate for those who have transitioned but the reality is that people mostly don't want to date someone trans, they want to date someone who is cis. That's not "transphobic", either.
 
theprestige said:
Right now, the thing has a bit of an incel feel to it, for lack of a better word. Transwomen acting like they're entitled to sex, and damn these women for not doing the right thing and putting out.
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Not sure how you get that. The protest group in question specifically claimed that lesbians were somehow being "forced" to have sex with "men" in terms of transwomen who are lesbians. They didn't add any qualification or nuance to it, other than a general attitude of "Y chromosome - yew!" When you couple that with their suggestion that transmen are actually wrong-labelled butch lesbians "forced" into transition, they're basically exhibiting exactly the same denialist prejudices as a lot of straights have towards transgender people, as well as - ironically - gays and lesbians.
 
theprestige said:
From the trans point of view, at what point in the transition are they properly entitled to recognition as a lesbian for sexual purposes?

After they identify but before they start transitioning?

After starting the transition, but before any SRS?

Ever?

Is there any reason the lesbian in question should *not* be the only arbiter of what origin stories she's willing to consider in her sexual partners?

Right now, the thing has a bit of an incel feel to it, for lack of a better word. Transwomen acting like they're entitled to sex, and damn these women for not doing the right thing and putting out.
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Being transgender doesn't have anything to do with the gender of the partners they may or may not be attracted to, any more than it does for the cisgendered.

This preoccupation with some purported sexual aggression of transwomen against ciswomen is remarkably reminiscent of the paranoia that the racist white men would have about black men being after their white womenfolk.
 
quadraginta said:
Being transgender doesn't have anything to do with the gender of the partners they may or may not be attracted to, any more than it does for the cisgendered.

This preoccupation with some purported sexual aggression of transwomen against ciswomen is remarkably reminiscent of the paranoia that the racist white men would have about black men being after their white womenfolk.
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My mistake. I thought it was lesbians preoccupied with the expectation that they take transwomen as lovers with the same willingness that they take ciswomen as lovers.
 
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