Telling folks what Christianity really teaches is hardly "proselytizing"

[Darat]

You misread it...

it is ... a belief in the Zombification of the ill begotten son of celestial slave mongering ethnic cleansing human sacrifice demanding voodoo rituals prescribing witches proscribing hexed potions commanding misogynistic misanthropic racist bigoted benighted tribal war criminal deadbeat sky daddy.

Sorry maybe I should have inserted commas...

Again you are not answering what I asked you! It was a straightforward question with a straightforward answer - which is either yes or no? That is all I am asking you - not concerned about anything else.

 

[arayder]

So what would "practiced correctly" meant you, Leumas?

I do not know... go tell that to the ones who are denying that christians are sane enough to do that.

Oh, yes you do.

You are going on and on about Bible passages that you imply are scary/wrong/evil.

But you can't tell us what good and Godly are?

 

[arayder]

So let's try it this way, Leumas.

What is good?

Don't tell what it is not.

 

[Leumas]

Are you referring "holy communion"?

I don't understand your answer to what I was asking - I was asking you if the phrase you used i.e. "demanding voodoo rituals prescribing witches" was referring to "holy communion" - the possible answers are "no" and "yes". Which is it?

Again you are not answering what I asked you! It was a straightforward question with a straightforward answer - which is either yes or no? That is all I am asking you - not concerned about anything else.

Your question is based upon a wrong reading of what I said ... my bad for not inserting commas... and thus your question does not apply to WHAT I SAID...


Nevertheless... I already answered anyway ....

Holy Communion is Unholy Cannibalism... and it is Christianity... YHWH is the voodoo prescribing deadbeat sky daddy of the Zombified human sacrifice.

 

[Darat]

Your question is based upon a wrong reading of what I said ... my bad for not inserting commas... and thus your question does not apply to WHAT I SAID...





Nevertheless... I already answered anyway ....

Again you don't answer what I asked about.

 

[Leumas]

So let's try it this way, Leumas.

What is good?

Don't tell what it is not.

I am not the one who is claiming to know what is good... you are... so you need to specify what it is ... and if you assert it is Jesus or Christianity as you said... then you are irrefragably WRONG.... as I have said...

The Gospels are packed full of stories about the Pharisees who were known for their hypocrisy and perjury.

The Pharisees are the archetype for the sort of modern day hypocritical Christians who are so often lambasted here.

It's worth noting that the anger that Jesus expressed towards the Pharisees was because they had corrupted the law of God with their rules and hence were leading the people astray. In effect they were idolizing the law instead of worshipping God.

My take is that Jesus didn't hate them. He was angry with them for what they were doing.

In this way Christianity, practiced as it should be, is not hate, but is the answer to hate.
Oh, my! Is this leading us to a concrete thing we can do to counter hate?

 

[Leumas]

Again you don't answer what I asked about.

What you asked about is what I said... but you got what I said wrong... so ... ask again now that you know what I said.... here is what I said with the commas I neglected to insert...

But don't they all share at least a belief in the Zombification of the ill begotten son of celestial slave mongering, ethnic cleansing, human sacrifice demanding, voodoo rituals prescribing, witches proscribing, hexed potions commanding, misogynistic, misanthropic, racist, bigoted, benighted, tribal war criminal, deadbeat sky daddy???​

So now please ask your question again.

 

[arayder]

So let's try it this way, Leumas.

What is good?

Don't tell what it is not.

I am not the one who is claiming to know what is good... you are... so you need to specify what it is ... and if you assert it is Jesus or Christianity as you said... then you are irrefragably WRONG.... as I have said...

So, Leumas, do you not know what good is? What it is to do good? Or to be good? Or to seek goodness?

If you don't know good from bad how can you lecture us?

 

[Steve]

You are still failing to read the OP... I am not the one claiming that Christianity can be practiced correctly... you would have seen that had you read the OP... I suggest you read stuff before you incorrectly based upon not even reading things start asserting errors... much like christianity... as you admitted it is.

And yet you, not the OP, asked these questions:

Can you answer this:

1. Do you think that the Pharisees were known for their hypocrisy and perjury?
2. Do you think the Pharisees are the archetype for the sort of modern day hypocritical Christians?
3. Do you think the Pharisees corrupted the law of God with their rules?
4. Do you think the Pharisees were leading the people astray?
5. Do you think the Pharisees were idolizing the law instead of worshipping God?
6. Do you think Christianity, practiced as it should be, is not hate, but is the answer to hate?
7. Do you think Christianity is a concrete thing we can do to counter hate?

Presumably you expected an answer to your questions. If you do not have your own clear idea of how christianity should be practiced it seems quite unreasonable to expect some other non-christian to substitute their own ideas, if in fact they even have their own, in order to answer your very vague question.

And what was it exactly that you imagine I admitted?

 

[Thermal]

Can you tell me what christianity really teaches?

This guy can...

Do you know how it should be practiced??

This guy can show you...

Do you think christianity is a a concrete thing we can do to counter hate?

This guy sure does...

So as you see ... all the posts you posted are belied by that guy... so you hash it out with him since he is one of the "us"... maybe he can set you on the right path or vice versa...

Damn...its almost like "Christianity" is not a single cohesive thing, like a table. Even a table will have myriad definitions and applications, come to that.

Hey Leumas....think the problem might be that you are oversimplifying what "Christianity" is, and trying to pigeon hole it to a definition that it doesn't have? Just a thought, there.

 

[sackett]

Oh ye who did not read the OP properly! Your repentance is vain, neither shall ye ever be cleansed of that first and most damning of sins! With the tares that are not wheat, and with the goats who shall never be sheep are ye condemned!

Head ye down pub and get outside of a pint, for ye cannot in all eternity deserve understanding as The Great Overarching Prophet hath bellowed it at ye!

Don't even try. I don't, and I'm happier for it.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Christianity, as it should be practiced, would lead Human extinction within a decade: it was meant to be a Death Cult, doing nothing but wait for the Second Coming.

 

[Leumas]

Christianity, as it should be practiced, would lead Human extinction within a decade: it was meant to be a Death Cult, doing nothing but wait for the Second Coming.

Especially if men went around CASTRATING themselves as Jesus clearly advised (Matthew 19:12) they should do for the sake of the Monarchy in Outer Space where he sits on sequined thrones... next to himself.

Or the earth gets filled with rotting carcasses of dead people because the ones practicing christianity as it should be, took Jesus' advice to heart and left the dead to bury the dead (Matthew 8:22).

Or if people really took seriously Jesus insane advice in Matthew 5:25-34... then they would all starve to death while their infrastructure crumbles around them.

But hey... is it not the most common Christian thing amongst all the distinct sub-cults that Armageddon has to happen and rivers of blood have to be rolled out as the crimson carpet heralding the Taking of a Mulligan that Jesus is supposed to do???

So practicing Christianity as it should be must mean that they should be seeking the destruction of the world to hasten the Do Over that this bungling imbecile of a Zombified ill begotten human sacrifice has to do because he bungled it all up the first time!!! And indeed... we see many of them working incessantly and indefatigably to achieve exactly that right now and today.

Note: his first bungled up farcical melodrama was utterly unnecessary and pointless as said by his deadbeat daddy in 2 Chronicles 7:14 ... and as he admitted it himself in Luke 16:31.



.

 

[Craig4]

Dose it occur to you that you might be going high order on the Christianity that exists in your head but is not really practiced by very many people? You're freaking out about textual criticism of texts, hardly any Christians have even read let along applied any brain trons to.

 

[Craig4]

Really... so bullying is the modus operandi of bored rational mature skeptics???





Yes... it is a field of study in seminaries and universities all over the world with numerous PhDs writing numerous volumes over the subject.... so deriding and execrating knowledge and erudition is also a characteristic of rational mature skeptics???

And it has almost nothing to do with the experience of the vast majority of Christians.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Leumas, the Church of England is in many ways Christian, in many others definitely not. But it has clearly played a supporting role to the governing of Britain. It's certainly not a Death Cult.
So yeah, there can be non-destructive forms of Christianity, because Modern Christians are totally fine with picking& choosing and not at all interested in historical accuracy.
That's because the bible doesn't update, so the followers have to.

 

[Leumas]

Leumas, the Church of England is in many ways Christian, in many others definitely not. But it has clearly played a supporting role to the governing of Britain. It's certainly not a Death Cult.
So yeah, there can be non-destructive forms of Christianity, because Modern Christians are totally fine with picking& choosing and not at all interested in historical accuracy.
That's because the bible doesn't update, so the followers have to.

Are you aware of the blood drenched history of all but countless deaths caused by the Church of England... not to mention why and how it was formed in the first place???

So yeah, there can be non-destructive forms of Christianity, because Modern Christians are totally fine with picking& choosing and not at all interested in historical accuracy.

It depends on whose destruction you are considering... the Irish and Scots and Catholic English would beg to differ.... not to mention others further afield in the wider world. Are you aware that the Church of England pastors and lords were the creators of something called Zionism... whose entire purpose was at that time to get rid of their Jews and to hasten the Taking of a Mulligan by the Zombified ill begotten human sacrifice??? And is doing a very good job of propelling us towards that goal by the day.

That's because the bible doesn't update, so the followers have to.

Yes of course... charlatans have to keep improving their hoaxes and grifts or else the duped will wise up.

But you as an atheist saying this is acceptable... but a duped sheep will be the first to disagree with you there.

And wrangling with atheists trying to prevent them from exposing the reality of the insanity and the hypocrisy of the cult to the hoodwinked victims.... should not be the self-assigned task of any rational honest atheists.

 

[sackett]

Now we're getting down to cases

Ok... and you care so much why??

Why is it you want me to stop winning in my mind?? Why do you spend so much time and effort trying to stop me from winning in my mind?? Hmmmmm???

"A very just question, my lord," if I may quote Wormtongue.

Maybe these crypto-Christians are up to something, Bro. Leumas -- SOMETHING IN YOUR OWN MIND! Their fear and hatred are palpable enough. Palpable, I say! You can poke them with a fork and they're springy! (The fear & hatred, I mean, not the crypto-whatevers. See? they've started on me now!) They know that the true topic of all your threads is you and yourself! Why else would they be here? Hmmmmm indeed!

 

[Steve]

So why did your god not cure him like you claim he cured you despite you lack of faith???






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Gods do not cure people. Do you understand why?



And are you about to claim that you did not ask this question? And direct me to read the OP?

 

[Leumas]

Leumas, I never said that the CoE is a Force for good - just that it's not a Death Cult y thus demonstrating that Christianity can be successfully adapted to a State Religion - as long as the State has supremacy in the relationship.

Of course... Christianity is a religion tailor made for brigands and villains... i.e. Kings and Lords... and long before the CoE there was the Holy Roman Empire and its offshoots... in fact CoE is nothing but The Catholic Church with the Pope replaced by the King of England... as Henry VIII desired and his sycophantic bishops and so on wanted too... imagine all that tithing staying in their coffers instead of having to send it all to the Pope.

Look at these verses that ratify and sanctify all brigands Kings and rulers ... I wonder if any of the Christian Nationalists have ever read these... and as you see it is not CoE only but part and parcel of the commandments of Jesus and Paul and Peter and thus by proxy God too... right from the onset.

• Romans 13:1-7 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

Here are verses which further pacify the rubes in service of their masters...

• Ephesians 6:5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear and sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.
• Colossians 3:22 Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything, not only to please them while they are watching, but with sincerity of heart and fear of the Lord.
• 1 Peter 2:18 Slaves, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward.