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Telling folks what Christianity really teaches is hardly "proselytizing"

Leumas said:
Your question is a red herring derailing apologetic ... it has nothing to do with the OP... do you understand that...
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My question is asking for clarification from YOUR post. If there is a derail, it is you who caused it.

do you want me to explain how your apologetic fulminating against atheism has nothing to do with the OP... and so it is a derailment?
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My sweet Leumas...I am not doing anything 'against atheism'. I do, however, have an issue or two with your hateful Zealotry, whichever side you are on.

Which brings us away from your pointless derail, and back to the OP: Firstly, you don't know what Christianity teaches. You read some other website's criticism of the Bible, add some zany phraseology, and dump it here. I doubt most seriously that you have ever spoken with a Christian priest or pastor to find out what is actually taught. Hint: it is generally not a literal reading of the scriptures.

Secondly, your particular approach is proselytizing, in a certain light. You are trying to convert, yes? If not, you are just being hateful for the fun of it maybe? Like a Bizzaro Zealot?
 
Thermal said:
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My sweet Leumas...I am not doing anything 'against atheism'. I do, however, have an issue or two with your hateful Zealotry, whichever side you are on.

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Secondly, your particular approach is proselytizing, in a certain light. You are trying to convert, yes? If not, you are just being hateful for the fun of it maybe? Like a Bizzaro Zealot?
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Just like Jesus... ey??

You should like me more ... this is what was Jesus the Zombified ill begotten human sacrificed son of a celestial slave mongering ethnic cleansing war criminal.... maybe you are projecting Jesus unto me... but hey... I will take that from you as high praise indeed!!!

Thanks sweet brother!!!


Thermal said:
Which brings us away from your pointless derail, and back to the OP: Firstly, you don't know what Christianity teaches. You read some other website's criticism of the Bible, add some zany phraseology, and dump it here. I doubt most seriously that you have ever spoken with a Christian priest or pastor to find out what is actually taught. Hint: it is generally not a literal reading of the scriptures.
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Hint: do you know what asserting things you have no way of knowing if they are true but asserting them regardless as if they are true... is called in one English word???
 
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Leumas said:
Just like Jesus... ey??

You should like me more ... this is what was Jesus the Zombified ill begotten human sacrificed son of a celestial slave mongering ethnic cleansing war criminal.... maybe you are projecting Jesus unto me... but hey... I will take that from you as high praise indeed!!!

Thanks sweet brother!!!
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You're welcome my scrumptious Brother! As usual, you make no sense but at least you are not spitting bile on your fellow forumites, so I'll take it.

Hint: do you know what asserting things you have no way of knowing if they are true but asserting them regardless as if they are true... is called in one English word???
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I do. The word is concluding. I am making a conclusion based on your presentation. Your presentation seems unrelated to the real world, so I conclude it was pulled out of thin air. If I am mistaken, and your wild imaginings were actually taught to you, I'd sure like to hear about it.
 
Thermal said:
You're welcome my scrumptious Brother! As usual, you make no sense but at least you are not spitting bile on your fellow forumites, so I'll take it.

I do. The word is concluding. I am making a conclusion based on your presentation. Your presentation seems unrelated to the real world, so I conclude it was pulled out of thin air. If I am mistaken, and your wild imaginings were actually taught to you, I'd sure like to hear about it.
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Can you answer this:
  1. Do you think that the Pharisees were known for their hypocrisy and perjury?
  2. Do you think the Pharisees are the archetype for the sort of modern day hypocritical Christians?
  3. Do you think the Pharisees corrupted the law of God with their rules?
  4. Do you think the Pharisees were leading the people astray?
  5. Do you think the Pharisees were idolizing the law instead of worshipping God?
  6. Do you think Christianity, practiced as it should be, is not hate, but is the answer to hate?
  7. Do you think Christianity is a concrete thing we can do to counter hate?
 
Leumas said:
Can you answer this:
  1. Do you think that the Pharisees were known for their hypocrisy and perjury?Public opinion polling data for that period is lacking.
  2. Do you think the Pharisees are the archetype for the sort of modern day hypocritical Christians?Put the thesaurus down and slowly back away.
  3. Do you think the Pharisees corrupted the law of God with their rules?That would be odd for my to think as I see on evidence for the existence of gods. Ergo I see no reason to think a god has laws.
  4. Do you think the Pharisees were leading the people astray?From what? See above.
  5. Do you think the Pharisees were idolizing the law instead of worshipping God?Bit hard to get in a dead person's head. I don't know what they were think and neither do you.
  6. Do you think Christianity, practiced as it should be, is not hate, but is the answer to hate?There are 2 billionish people who profess some kind of Christianity. Some make meals for shut-ins, some burn crosses.
  7. Do you think Christianity is a concrete thing we can do to counter hate?Religion isn't a concrete anything.
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See answers above in red.
 
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Leumas said:
Because it is a perfidy... an apologetic chicanery... which all apologists use to derail threads all the time.




Good... so you agree with the OP that the stuff it was responding to is imbecilic and untrue and is not a path to lessen injustice or hate... QED!!!


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No.
 
Leumas said:
Can you answer this:
  1. Do you think that the Pharisees were known for their hypocrisy and perjury?
  2. Do you think the Pharisees are the archetype for the sort of modern day hypocritical Christians?
  3. Do you think the Pharisees corrupted the law of God with their rules?
  4. Do you think the Pharisees were leading the people astray?
  5. Do you think the Pharisees were idolizing the law instead of worshipping God?
  6. Do you think Christianity, practiced as it should be, is not hate, but is the answer to hate?
  7. Do you think Christianity is a concrete thing we can do to counter hate?
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How, exactly, should Christianity be practiced?
 
Leumas said:
Do you ever read OPs???

I am not the one who said that... ask the guy who said that... had you read the OP you would know who he is... I suggest you start reading OPs you want to respond to... that way your posts would be a lot more relevant and coherent.
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But it was your question that I responded to.

Seems that the question you actually should have asked is - "Do you think Christianity, practiced as arayder says it should be, is not hate, but is the answer to hate?".

Given that arayder has seemingly not provided details of how arayder thinks christianity should supposedly be practiced your question is not answerable. Do you have a detailed understanding of how arayder thinks christianity should be practiced that you would like to share in order to make your question answerable??
 
Given that there are 2 billionish Christians and thousands of denominations, it's a fools errand to try to say how Christianity is practiced and what Christians believe. Textual criticism of obscure passages most self-identified Christians have at best a passing familiarity with is hardly a basis for saying what Christians believe or how they practice.
 
Steve said:
Leumas appears think they have singular knowledge of exactly what all self-proclaimed christians believe and practice. Wheedling (so far unsuccessfully) this info out of Leumas is the common denominator of all these threads.
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It's kind of a joke but Catholics don't read their bibles. That's what they have priests for. I doubt the vast majority of the 1.1 billion Catholics have ever given the passages Lemus cites a thought. When the priest reads the gospel portion of the mass, most Catholics are hoping he gets done with the sermon in time to get home for the start of the football game (pick which version you like here, football I mean).
 
Darat said:
I try to be careful when I address the beliefs of others - if it is a religion like say the RCC I am quite happy to tell someone who claims to be a RC - if they make a claim that is not in line with the RCC doctrines - that they are wrong or mistaken etc. Because their religion is one that has a clear authority that sets out what the beliefs are. (Indeed being a RC means you agree to follow that authority.) Keeping in mind for the RCC that the bible is not the ultimate authority - the authority for the RCC is of course the church itself - just quoting from the bible does not refute the beliefs and the doctrines of the RCC.

Other versions of Christianity may have a similar authority - for example CofE but some may have no such authority - lots of protestant denominations have no authority to set the beliefs, so the beliefs can be as personal as they wish them to be.

Another example would be a person who claims to be a biblical "literalist" - then we can quote chapter and verse at them, because they make such a claim and we can challenge what they claim the bible says.
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I've been an atheist since my late teens, but I do remember Sunday School lessons in a Protestant (United Prespbyterian) church that, in the Roman Catholic Church, the priests read the bible and told you what it means, but as a Protestant, you should read the Bible and decide for yourself what to believe, and being Protestants, obviously felt that the latter was the Way Things Ought to Be.

Given that Christianity is not a single religion, but a very large family of related religions (and if it's a family, it is one with lots of bastards and mutants), it takes a special kind of arrogance to state, "This is what Christianity teaches". At best, you should say, "This is what my branch of Christianity teaches", or with a bit more humility, "This is my interpretation of what my branch of Christianity teaches." Of course, with a few exceptions, every branch of Christianity believes that their interpretation is the correct one, and all the other branches got it wrong to varying degrees. Also, if you are a Catholic priest, it's pretty much your job to say, "This is what Christianity teaches."
 
Craig4 said:
It's kind of a joke but Catholics don't read their bibles. That's what they have priests for. I doubt the vast majority of the 1.1 billion Catholics have ever given the passages Lemus cites a thought. When the priest reads the gospel portion of the mass, most Catholics are hoping he gets done with the sermon in time to get home for the start of the football game (pick which version you like here, football I mean).
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When you look at the historical context, this makes sense. For the first millennium or so of the existence of the Catholic Church, books of any kind were a rare and extremely expensive commodity, laboriously copied by hand, and literacy was equally rare (it's kind of hard to learn to read if you don't have anything to read). In medieval Europe, the church had a near monopoly on literacy. Even a lot of nobles were illiterate, and common people almost universally so. In you're typical medieval village, the priest was the only person who could read the Bible, or had access to one to read.

Then Gutenberg came along and upset the applecart, so books became readily available, and literacy spread like wildfire. Bibles were among the first books to be mass produced. It's not a coincidence that the Protestant reformation happened during this time.
 
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Craig4 said:
Given that there are 2 billionish Christians and thousands of denominations, it's a fools errand to try to say how Christianity is practiced and what Christians believe. Textual criticism of obscure passages most self-identified Christians have at best a passing familiarity with is hardly a basis for saying what Christians believe or how they practice.
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Yes... thanks for explaining how christianity is an insanity... well done!!!

But don't they all share at least a belief in the Zombification of the ill begotten son of celestial slave mongering ethnic cleansing human sacrifice demanding voodoo rituals prescribing witches proscribing hexed potions commanding misogynistic misanthropic racist bigoted benighted tribal war criminal deadbeat sky daddy???

Don't they all at least share the New Tall tales as the inspired word of their Zombie or at least accurate historical eyewitness accounts of his hopping onto a cloud and flying up up and awayyyyyyy to outer space to sit on a sequined throne next to... well.... himself???

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Leumas said:
Yes... thanks for explaining how christianity is an insanity... well done!!!

But don't they all share at least a belief in the Zombification of the ill begotten son of celestial slave mongering ethnic cleansing human sacrifice demanding voodoo rituals prescribing witches proscribing hexed potions commanding misogynistic misanthropic racist bigoted benighted tribal war criminal deadbeat sky daddy???

Don't they all at least share the New Tall tales as the inspired word of their Zombie or at least accurate historical eyewitness accounts of his hopping onto a cloud and flying up up and awayyyyyyy to outer space to sit on a sequined throne next to... well.... himself???

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Are you referring "holy communion"?
 
Steve said:
Leumas appears think they have singular knowledge of exactly what all self-proclaimed christians believe and practice. Wheedling (so far unsuccessfully) this info out of Leumas is the common denominator of all these threads.
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You are still failing to read the OP... I am not the one claiming that Christianity can be practiced correctly... you would have seen that had you read the OP... I suggest you read stuff before you incorrectly based upon not even reading things start asserting errors... much like christianity... as you admitted it is.
 
Darat said:
Are you referring "holy communion"?
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Holy Communion is Unholy Cannibalism... and it is Christianity... YHWH is the voodoo prescribing deadbeat sky daddy of the Zombified human sacrifice.

Here are a couple of examples from amongst numerous ones throughout the bible...


  • Leviticus 14:1-7 And YHWH spake unto Moses, saying, This shall be the LAW OF THE LEPER in the day of his cleansing: He shall be brought unto the priest: And the priest shall go forth out of the camp; and the priest shall look, and, behold, if the plague of leprosy be healed in the leper; Then shall the priest command to take for him that is to be cleansed two birds alive and clean, and cedar wood, and scarlet, and hyssop: And the priest shall command that one of the birds be killed in an earthen vessel over running water: As for the living bird, he shall take it, and the cedar wood, and the scarlet, and the hyssop, and shall dip them and the living bird in the blood of the bird that was killed over the running water: And he shall sprinkle upon him that is to be cleansed from the leprosy seven times, and shall pronounce him clean, and shall let the living bird loose into the open field.
  • Leviticus 8:29-30 And Moses took the breast, and waved it for a wave offering before YHWH... And Moses took of the anointing oil, and of the blood which was upon the altar, and sprinkled it upon Aaron, and upon his garments, and upon his sons, and upon his sons' garments with him; and sanctified Aaron, and his garments, and his sons, and his sons' garments with him.
 
Leumas said:
You are still failing to read the OP... I am not the one claiming that Christianity can be practiced correctly... you would have seen that had you read the OP... I suggest you read stuff before you incorrectly based upon not even reading things start asserting errors... much like christianity... as you admitted it is.
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So what would "practiced correctly" meant you, Leumas?
 
Leumas said:
Holy Communion is Unholy Cannibalism... and it is Christianity... YHWH is the voodoo prescribing deadbeat sky daddy of the Zombified human sacrifice.

Here are a couple of examples from amongst numerous ones throughout the bible...


  • Leviticus 14:1-7 And YHWH spake unto Moses, saying, This shall be the LAW OF THE LEPER in the day of his cleansing: He shall be brought unto the priest: And the priest shall go forth out of the camp; and the priest shall look, and, behold, if the plague of leprosy be healed in the leper; Then shall the priest command to take for him that is to be cleansed two birds alive and clean, and cedar wood, and scarlet, and hyssop: And the priest shall command that one of the birds be killed in an earthen vessel over running water: As for the living bird, he shall take it, and the cedar wood, and the scarlet, and the hyssop, and shall dip them and the living bird in the blood of the bird that was killed over the running water: And he shall sprinkle upon him that is to be cleansed from the leprosy seven times, and shall pronounce him clean, and shall let the living bird loose into the open field.
  • Leviticus 8:29-30 And Moses took the breast, and waved it for a wave offering before YHWH... And Moses took of the anointing oil, and of the blood which was upon the altar, and sprinkled it upon Aaron, and upon his garments, and upon his sons, and upon his sons' garments with him; and sanctified Aaron, and his garments, and his sons, and his sons' garments with him.
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I don't understand your answer to what I was asking - I was asking you if the phrase you used i.e. "demanding voodoo rituals prescribing witches" was referring to "holy communion" - the possible answers are "no" and "yes". Which is it?
 
Darat said:
I don't understand your answer to what I was asking - I was asking you if the phrase you used i.e. "demanding voodoo rituals prescribing witches" was referring to "holy communion" - the possible answers are "no" and "yes". Which is it?
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You misread it...

it is ... a belief in the Zombification of the ill begotten son of celestial slave mongering ethnic cleansing human sacrifice demanding voodoo rituals prescribing witches proscribing hexed potions commanding misogynistic misanthropic racist bigoted benighted tribal war criminal deadbeat sky daddy.

Sorry maybe I should have inserted commas...
 
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