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Swine Flu outbreak

Well, I blame mass production under "inhuman" circumstances for these types of threats. Meat should cost twice as much and in return, the Government should pass laws making sure that the animals grow up in a "happy&healthy environment" in return.
 
I'm ever so happy for you. Good luck, and watch out for that carrot with the pickaxe behind you..
 
Oliver said:
Well, got a better explanation?
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So, I presume your explanation is that the flu comes from animals who are not sufficiently pampered. While this may be true (it's arguable, to say the least), enacting laws that you recommend isn't going to eliminate the problem, which is international in scope, without superhuman efforts, and will have repercussions in terms of protein starvation that you don't address.

The virus theory of disease works for me, and therefore I recommend anti-virals and vaccines. On the public health front, appropriate quarantines and closure of non-vital public interactions may be called for.
 
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shadron said:
So, I presume your explanation is that the flu comes from animals who are not sufficiently pampered. While this may be true (it's arguable, to say the least), enacting laws that you recommend isn't going to eliminate the problem, which is international in scope, without superhuman efforts, and will have repercussions in terms of protein starvation that you don't address.

The virus theory of disease works for me, and therefore I recommend anti-virals and vaccines. On the public health front, appropriate quarantines and closure of non-vital public interactions may be called for.
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Anti-virals and **** like that cause another kind of problem such as Feminization, so letting a bunch of commercially thinking nutjobs decide about solutions isn't either good for the economy nor for the environment. And transporting animals all over the world isn't helpful either to prevent any biological threats to humans.

I'm all for regional breeding and consume without chemical/medical treatment, so the consument does know where their meet comes from. You, on the other hand, seem to prefer medication and chemicals as a solution, which strikes me as quite stupid and self-destructive, to be honest with you.
 
shadron said:
So, I presume your explanation is that the flu comes from animals who are not sufficiently pampered. While this may be true (it's arguable, to say the least), enacting laws that you recommend isn't going to eliminate the problem, which is international in scope, without superhuman efforts, and will have repercussions in terms of protein starvation that you don't address.

The virus theory of disease works for me, and therefore I recommend anti-virals and vaccines. On the public health front, appropriate quarantines and closure of non-vital public interactions may be called for.
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Fighting symptoms instead of fighting the source of the problem?
 
Dictator Cheney said:
Fighting symptoms instead of fighting the source of the problem?
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Yep, that's the capitalist approach to problems. **** the consument, let's throw a bunch of probably dangerous chemicals/hormones/medications at the problem.
 
Oliver said:
Anti-virals and **** like that cause another kind of problem such as Feminization, so letting a bunch of commercially thinking nutjobs decide about solutions isn't either good for the economy nor for the environment. And transporting animals all over the world isn't helpful either to prevent any biological threats to humans.

I'm all for regional breeding and consume without chemical/medical treatment, so the consument does know where their meet comes from.
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You got any real proof for any of this? Feminization, if it is a provably real problem for an anti-viral, is more a problem than death? All I see here is unsubstantiated rhetoric and inuendo. That last sentence, BTW, is nonsense, even after I correct the mispelling and make vast assumpions about what "consument" might be.

Transporting animals is not the problem. There is a theory that flu viruses are "bred" in fowl populations in China (for one), but their spread thereafter is through human transportation; China doesn't expor live or dead fowl, as far as I know. You'll need to demonstrate how animal movement is part of the basic problem, not just peripheral to it.

You, on the other hand, seem to prefer medication and chemicals as a solution, which strikes me as quite stupid and self-destructive, to be honest with you.
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Ummmmm. I prefer you not make assumptions on my behalf. I prefer what works, and vaccination and anti-virals have been shown to work. Are they optimal? No, perhaps not; almost certainly not yet. While I do see a possible theoretical basis for your solutions, I don't see any hard proof that they are actual concerns. But then I'm not a biologist, and perhaps you have them, so please enlighten me. Stupid and self-destructive? You haven't any basis for saying that that you have demonstrated.

Show me how your solution is possible politically. Do you intend that the UN ban animal transport? Had any luck with getting Germany or the EU to do so? Lots of luck, as I said before.
 
Oliver said:
Yep, that's the capitalist approach to problems. **** the consument, let's throw a bunch of probably dangerous chemicals/hormones/medications at the problem.
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Since you insist on using that word, I went out and looked it up. All the referents are Dutch or German. Perhaps you need a new dictionary.

Sorry about the capitalism. But if it works, it works. Tell us how your solution is better in real, concrete, number of cases statistics that you can substantiate, and I'll listen to you as well. My goal here is to alleviate suffering from flu in the next year, not thirty years from now, but that is an important goal as well, just not as immediate.
 
Oliver said:
Yep, that's the capitalist approach to problems. **** the consument, let's throw a bunch of probably dangerous chemicals/hormones/medications at the problem.
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Here we go, any subject matter is good to have a go at America isn't it?

Your anti-Americanism is pathological.
 
Dictator Cheney said:
Fighting symptoms instead of fighting the source of the problem?
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Anti-virals are not palliatives; they deny or at least delay the growth of viruses in a host by inhibiting metabolic pathways that viruses habitually use. Vaccines totally deny viral infections by enabling the immune system to kill infected cells at the outset. Your implied allegation that either of these methods is "fighting symptoms" is incorrect. If I want to treat the symptoms I use analgesics, perhaps. Try again.
 
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Oliver said:
... Is anyone concerned about this yet?
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From your link:

World Health Organization planned to consider raising the world pandemic flu alert to 4 from 3
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When it is upgraded to 3, I'll probably get interested.

Oliver said:
Well, I blame mass production under "inhuman" circumstances for these types of threats. Meat should cost twice as much and in return, the Government should pass laws making sure that the animals grow up in a "happy&healthy environment" in return.
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Why not UFOs?

Thinking that animals' happiness has got anything to do with anything is quite bizarre. I take it you're a vegan?

Dictator Cheney said:
Fighting symptoms instead of fighting the source of the problem?
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As already asked, what is the problem then? There's probably a Nobel for Medicine available if you crack the secret of why viruses exist and how to stop them.

Gangularis said:
This is whipping them into a frenzy on Prison Planet Forums
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Shouldn't that be in a "NSFA" tag? (A=anywhere)

plumjam said:
Yes. The Mexicans are already pig sick of it.
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Mate, you've had some good examples of witty comebacks.

That ain't one of them.
 
CNN has been having a field day with it today. After all, there is a potential for thousands of people to get sick and die! Be afraid!!!
 
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