Swine Flu outbreak

Pardalis said:
Here we go, any subject matter is good to have a go at America isn't it?

Your anti-Americanism is pathological.
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Are you stupid? The new strain originated in Mexico.
Anyway, the World Health Organisation just released a warnig stating that it's "a public health emergency of international concern." :

CNN: WHO warns swine flu 'public health emergency'

A potentially deadly new strain of the swine flu virus cropped up in more places in the United States and Mexico on Saturday, in what the World Health Organization called "a public health emergency of international concern." full story
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Pardalis said:
Here we go, any subject matter is good to have a go at America isn't it?

Your anti-Americanism is pathological.
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:confused:

he didnt have a go at America nor the USA. Maybe you should read his posts again :rolleyes:
 
Oliver said:
Yep, that's the capitalist approach to problems. **** the consument, let's throw a bunch of probably dangerous chemicals/hormones/medications at the problem.
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As another forumite ingeniously replied to this kind of attitude -

...you do know that water is a non-organic chemical, right?
 
Oliver said:
Well, I blame mass production under "inhuman" circumstances for these types of threats. Meat should cost twice as much and in return, the Government should pass laws making sure that the animals grow up in a "happy&healthy environment" in return.
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You need to start looking into how viruses make the jump from one species to another. And take some science classes.

What you want would increase the threat, not decrease it.
 
If it takes off and comes this way I am getting vaccinated - screw the politics :)
 
Re-post from the "San Diego" thread:

How can we prevent hysterical reactions?

Is the Media helping Health policies in the face of an early pandemic?

Has "Evolutionary Theory" helped in any way?

I have accepted uncertainty, we can be prepared to a certain degree, but we cannot cover all the possibilities. I doubt any Scientist/Epidemiologist ever predicted that the "next pandemic" started in Mexico. Not too long ago, everybody was worried about China, East Asia as probable incubators of the "next" pandemic flu...

Just to reiterate my position from other posts in this Forum and other places:
Evolution happened and will continue to do so.
It is a random process whose details cannot be predicted.
Evolution cannot help Medicine, it provides an accurate explanation for "hindsight" analysis.
We are dependent on a heuristic process to fight communicable diseases, if we are lucky, we can have sentinel sites that can identify current infections, microbiologists and pharmaceutical engineers can produce vaccines or antibiotics to treat known infections.

On a tangential note, shouldn't we be concerned at the amount of antibiotics that are used in livestock production, unrelated to infection? (some quote 70% of the antibiotic production goes to Agricultural use, not used to treat infections)
 
The Atheist said:
When it is upgraded to 3, I'll probably get interested.
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The WHO has "declared a public health emergency" as a sort of wimpy compromise to raising the pandemic alert level from 3 to 4 -- even though their own definition for level 4 has already been met:
"verified human-to-human transmission of an animal or human-animal influenza reassortant virus able to cause community-level outbreaks."
They seem to want to reserve the right to fiddle with the definitional boundaries on the fly, in the teeth of an epidemiological event.

International experts will convene on Tuesday to advise the WHO on whether to raise the current pandemic alert level. It may be that since that decision process is apparently so agonizing for them, they want to avoid having to go through it again. By Tuesday or Wednesday, they may be able to go straight to level 5.
 
Well, since the White House just held a press briefing, it may be something to be concerned about. I didn't hear the whole thing, but I kept waiting for some reporter to express a concern about inoculations causing autism. I'd love to see the livid response from the real doctors up there.
 
Add Medical science to the long list of things that Oliver knows nothing about, but tries to use as a club to beat his favorite whipping boys,the US and Capitalism.
 
shadron said:
You got any real proof for any of this? Feminization, if it is a provably real problem for an anti-viral, is more a problem than death?
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My god, man! Look at his user name. Look at his avatar! How much more evidence do you need?
 
Oliver said:
Latest news:

http://us.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/04/26/swine.flu/index.html
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Yep, they do think a dozen or so kids here have it, but at this stage, it's speculation. They have A-type influenza, which is common enough and all were at the recovering stage - none has been very ill at all.

Dymanic said:
The WHO has "declared a public health emergency" as a sort of wimpy compromise to raising the pandemic alert level from 3 to 4 --
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You're back to front, level 3 - which was instituted today, is a level higher than 4.

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Ok, Oliver, I said I'd get interested at level 3, and with the upgrade, I'm now officially interested.

First things first:

The death rate appears to be nothing special at the moment, thousands of people die annually from influenza.

If the NZ kids have had it, it appears to be no worse than any normal A-type influenza.

Those most vulnerable to influenza, babies and the elderly, seem to be less-affected by it - presumably since most +40s have had either Russian or one of the other H1N1 influenza types.

It apparently responds well to Tamiflu.

Conclusion: No panic, business as usual, some people will get the flu.

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Additional conclusion: Clearly another NWO tactic.

Just as the world is trying to shake off a bout of stock-market flu, a real flu epidemic comes along to further limit growth. Imagine how much Mexico's GDP is already down with the measures taken so far. Clearly, Mexico was chosen to enforce the Amero with the US public, while the global pandemic will enable anti-gathering laws to be enacted.

Is it any coincidence that Tamiflu works on this virus?

I think not.
 
I'm going to panic now.

Sorry- I'm going to bed now.

I hope you are all still alive in the morning.
 
Ah, silly, silly me.

I've just been to Prison Planet to find the truth, and it's so obvious that I apologise for my previous attempt at explaining it.

The strain was created by Roche and this is just a test for the real one due in a few years' time. They're passing the flu on through the vaccine.

Oh, the joys of hindsight.
 
The current thought is that the 1918 flu epidemic orginated in swine in Kansas. I don't think they were into the kind of massive battery farming being blamed here at that time.
 
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