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Surface debacle

I had a play with a Surface on Sunday afternoon. When I tried to open Word it would only try to go to safe mode then crash over and over. Had to do a repair on it.
That shouldn't happen on a Tablet, it should click and go.

Terrible.
 
Have you read this? http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2012/07/microsoft-downfall-emails-steve-ballmer

Sounds like IBM for a lot of the time I worked there - more pressure to compete internally than externally.

The place is a mess, a culture spawned by people who achieved their early success through ruthlessness and confrontation and apparently think that is the model for all success. Ballmer's truculence is unabated. I am reminded of what Barbara Tuchman said about Phillip II - "No experience of the failure of his policy could shake his belief in its essential excellence."
 
The place is a mess, a culture spawned by people who achieved their early success through ruthlessness and confrontation and apparently think that is the model for all success. Ballmer's truculence is unabated. I am reminded of what Barbara Tuchman said about Phillip II - "No experience of the failure of his policy could shake his belief in its essential excellence."
Even though the **** is hitting the fan during Balmer's reign, Gates laid (so to speak :)) the groundwork in every sense -- he was also ruthless, confrontational, and lacking original ideas.
 
can't be totally incorrect, I said probably :D

I assume you think Windows 7 sucks too then, since (as discussed infinitum), the desktop interface is virtually the same.

Don't assume. W7 is OK for what I need. W8 sucks for what I need. Also additional problems I did not have in W7 with devices and drivers and software. However, superior attitude noted. Predictable I suppose
 
Don't assume. W7 is OK for what I need. W8 sucks for what I need. Also additional problems I did not have in W7 with devices and drivers and software. However, superior attitude noted. Predictable I suppose

Drivers are almost always an issue when upgrading OS. Windows 8 seems to have had far fewer of them than earlier transitions.
 
I didn't even know that they weren't selling well until I started seeing articles/threads by people who apparently did know that and were discussing why. And then after I got used to that, I saw a commercial for them again. I thought they'd given up and withdrawn the things already! Maybe the advertising was just based on a contract for a certain amount of time that hadn't expired yet...

I do know why I wasn't interested in getting one, though. It was apparently just a tablet, like any other tablet. If I were getting a tablet I might have included it in my investigation about which one to get, but I knew of nothing to make it stand out from the rest. They were trying to make a big deal out of the detachable keyboard and the little kickout stand on the back, but that was useless as far as I was concerned. If you're going to attach a keyboard to a tablet, it needs to be able to hold its position without always leaning on a flat surface, like laptop computers do. And I've seen accessories for other tablets which did the same or better anyway, so if I wanted a tablet and a detachable keyboard, I could get that combo elsewhere. For the Surface advertising to make such a big deal of something so minor and ordinary made it seem like they didn't think it had anything else going for it themselves.
 
Drivers are almost always an issue when upgrading OS. Windows 8 seems to have had far fewer of them than earlier transitions.

Because people are avoiding Win8 in droves. What's wrong with you?

Do you know any people using Oracle 10+ apps and Windows 8? I'd really like to talk to them.
 
Microsoft has made worse interfaces that Windows 8
I would argue that Windows 8 is worse than Microsoft Bob. At least with Bob you knew where to get things: perhaps to the point where it felt condescending, but at least everything was on screen somewhere.

Windows 8: Nothing is on screen anymore.

The first question a Windows 95 veteran might ask of Bob is: How do I shut the animated dog down?

To a Windows 7 veteran approaching Windows 8 for the first time, these are the first questions they might ask: How do I get to programs? How do I get to settings? How about some of the advanced settings? How do I even search for anything that the search function can't find (assuming I found where the search function is)?!

It's pretty embarrassing how much worse for the user Windows 8 is vs. Microsoft Bob.

I assume you think Windows 7 sucks too then, since (as discussed infinitum), the desktop interface is virtually the same.
Repeating a lie a lot of times doesn't make it true, you know.

The most important parts of the desktop interface are different.

Example 1: The full-screen Start Screen is worse for the average user than the compact Start Menu. The Win8 Start Screen takes up the entire screen and only displays apps. The Win7 Start Menu takes up a corner, and shows a LOT more than merely apps.

Example 2: Searching for stuff in Win7 works a LOT better than the current release of Win8. Thankfully, this will be fixed with Win8.1. But, you're claim of Win8 being "virtually the same" neglects the fact that searching interface (that everyone uses) is NOT the same, and is, in fact, broken for now.

Example 3: There are two taskbars you have to contend with, if you are using even one Modern UI app. Granted, not everyone is going to use any of the Modern UI apps. But: This is very different from Win7, and NOT "Virtually the same". And, it weakens your favorite argument just that much more.

"Virtually the same" as MY FOOT!!!
 
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I didn't even know that they weren't selling well until I started seeing articles/threads by people who apparently did know that and were discussing why.
I knew they weren't selling well, when I saw the lines for iPads at the Apple store and the lines for tablets at the Sony store were both longer than the lines for Surface machines, on the launch days of the Surface machines. And, of course, all the other days after that.

In fact, the total number of people in the Microsoft store was probably less than the number of people just waiting in line for an iPad at the Apple store.

The Microsoft Store is a sad place in my local mall.
 
As for Windows 8, I immediately uninstalled all of the Metro apps when I got it and haven't used one since. Yet the UI still frustrates. There are settings and control panels hidden all over the place (right click the bottom left corner, hover the bottom right, then click the plain text to open a Metro app).

I think the word intuitive has been killed by Apple overuse, but I have my own definition (TM) of it. It doesn't mean knowing without instruction. I am currently revamping a PowerPoint to help adult job seekers learn how to use computers. I can safely say nothing is intuitive in that sense. Absolutely nothing. But I have found in testing several Android UIs that visibility and logical hierarchy really make a world of difference. There is always a delay in remembering that a tool exists to be used without a visual affordance, not to mention making sure you reveal the gimmick properly.

My Start screen is basically my favourites. To get to my other programs I think I have to open the search? That is the only way I figured out.

The odd things is that Microsoft was right about ribbons, but note they are pushing to hide things. In addition, things are hidden all over the place.
 
The thing that puzzles me most about the melting together of tablet and desktop that Microsoft seemingly desperately wants is the touch interface on a desktop. Who on earth wants this?!

When I look at my tablet after some use I see one thing: Grease from my fingers. I'm almost constantly wiping the thing. If there's one thing I hate on my desktop screens it's grease. Touch my screens and you die.
 
Because people are avoiding Win8 in droves. What's wrong with you?

Do you know any people using Oracle 10+ apps and Windows 8? I'd really like to talk to them.

Oh good grief. Hundreds of million people use some flavour of windows. How many of them use Oracle 10?

More importantly, given Oracle said almost year ago before windows 8 was launched that v10 doesn't work on Windows 8 and they won't support it until v11, why on earth would any of the people using Oracle 10 upgrade to Windows 8?
 

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