Sub Jailed-ness

The Fool said:
it is my opinion that tmy's conclusion that those that posses something must be selling it is Idiotic...is that better?
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Genereally possessing a large amount of a narcotic implies that the drugs will be distributed. Thats why you get alot of these "intent to distribute" charges. IF you pull over a guy and he has bricks of coke in his trunk, you can guess what the purpose is (and its not self medication).

So if sub has a bunch of plants, a scale, and a bunch of bags n sealers, thats a strong indication that hes looking to distribute or already has.

I wonder just how they obtained a warrent in the first place? Methinks the cops couldve busted one of his customers who ratted him out and started the whole investigation.


Im sure Scott Peterson wished he had all you guys on the jury. Hed be walking the streets right now.
 
Tony said:
SASE?
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Self-addressed, stamped envelope.

I just want to say that "Sex the Plants" would be an excellent name for a rock band. The poster art practically draws itself.
 
Tmy said:
Genereally possessing a large amount of a narcotic implies that the drugs will be distributed. Thats why you get alot of these "intent to distribute" charges. IF you pull over a guy and he has bricks of coke in his trunk, you can guess what the purpose is (and its not self medication).

So if sub has a bunch of plants, a scale, and a bunch of bags n sealers, thats a strong indication that hes looking to distribute or already has.
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No, no, it's not, as has been shown to you repeatedly, in detail in this thread. A "bunch of plants" does not mean a s---load of pot. Bags indicate he's storing some. A scale in a home office makes a certain amount of sense. I've got one myself, and I'm not growing weed.

If he'd been distributing, if they used some of his customers to bust him, they would have charged him with distributing. As it is, they didn't. He got probation for the pot, and 2 years in prison for the rusty rifle ("the rifle was not loaded and no bullets were found in the house"). How you can think that's justified is something of a mystery to me.

For reasons I can't guess at, you're out for crucifying the guy. But focusing in on everything you think might point to him dealing--then ignoring everything that shows you to be mistaken--does not speak well of your judgement, here.
 
Tmy said:
Methinks the cops couldve busted one of his customers who ratted him out and started the whole investigation.
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Other possibilities:
- Dan made the mistake of telling someone about his situation, who told someone else, etc.
- a neighbor could smell the plants
- the electric company reported unusual spike
- he ordered seeds through the mail and was detected (medical users are especially concerned about strain of plant; any old seeds won't do)
 
Cleon said:


For reasons I can't guess at, you're out for crucifying the guy. But focusing in on everything you think might point to him dealing--then ignoring everything that shows you to be mistaken--does not speak well of your judgement, here.
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Personally I dont like mandatory minimum laws.

Now that aside, Im not out to crucify him but I do find it interesting how pretty much everyone here is buying his version of the story. We are only privy to a few facts. Unlike the jury that tried him. They were presented with detailed evidence and testimony. We really dont know how much pot was lying around or the other details.

They convicted him. Despite the fact that hes white collar, probably had an pretty good defense attorney, and a pretty good sob story. On paper he shouldve walked but he didnt.

And it wasnt just for a rusty ol gun. It was rusty ol gun + plus felony. Thats how he got screwed. We can debate the fairness of the laws but they are still the laws none the less. Id like to toke up everyday, but I dont cause its illegal.

Skeptically speaking, it looks to me like hes guilty. Im suprised no ones even bothered to think that he doesnt need the pot for medical reasons. What medical reason? Its not Gloucoma. Does he not have a prescrition to deal with it.? Does he really need weed or is that an excuse.
 
varwoche said:
Other possibilities:
- Dan made the mistake of telling someone about his situation, who told someone else, etc.
- a neighbor could smell the plants
- the electric company reported unusual spike
- he ordered seeds through the mail and was detected (medical users are especially concerned about strain of plant; any old seeds won't do)
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I dont think the electric spike is enuff to warrant a search.

Any criminal attorney out there? Maybe they could give inisight on the level of evidence needed to score a search warrant.?
 
Tmy said:
Personally I dont like mandatory minimum laws.

Now that aside, Im not out to crucify him but I do find it interesting how pretty much everyone here is buying his version of the story. We are only privy to a few facts. Unlike the jury that tried him. They were presented with detailed evidence and testimony. We really dont know how much pot was lying around or the other details.
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And yet, this doesn't stop you from referring to him as a "gun-toting drug dealer."


They convicted him. Despite the fact that hes white collar, probably had an pretty good defense attorney, and a pretty good sob story. On paper he shouldve walked but he didnt.

And it wasnt just for a rusty ol gun. It was rusty ol gun + plus felony. Thats how he got screwed. We can debate the fairness of the laws but they are still the laws none the less. Id like to toke up everyday, but I dont cause its illegal.
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When the "felony" consists of growing pot for personal use, which in itself is an unjust law, throwing him in prison for that just because he had a rusty gun nearby doesn't strike me as justifiable.


Skeptically speaking, it looks to me like hes guilty. Im suprised no ones even bothered to think that he doesnt need the pot for medical reasons. What medical reason? Its not Gloucoma. Does he not have a prescrition to deal with it.? Does he really need weed or is that an excuse.
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What amazes me is that you repeatedly accuse him of dealing, despite no evidence to that effect (or even any charges to that effect), and have no compunction about using the phrase "skeptically speaking."

As for "medical reasons," since you have no evidence pro or con, again, I'm amused by your use of "skeptically speaking."

My personal take is whether it's for "medical reasons" or not is irrelevant; nobody should be in jail for smoking or growing pot. And he's not. He's in jail because he grew pot and had an unusable rifle. A menace to society he ain't, and it's outrageous that tax money is being used to keep him imprisoned.
 
Tmy said:
Skeptically speaking, it looks to me like hes guilty. Im suprised no ones even bothered to think that he doesnt need the pot for medical reasons. What medical reason?
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He's definitely guilty of having an old gun (no bullets) in the same house as he was growing pot. Dealing is another matter. The counter arguments you've been presented are legit. Despite which, yes, it's possible he was dealing.

The most powerful counter argument is that he wasn't even charged with dealing. It is routine for prosecuters to level all charges possible, assuming there will be a plea. If there was compelling evidence he was dealing, it is very likely he would have been charged.

Ive been told: Dan has a neurological disease (I forget the name). He needs to takes medication. He has been provided an inadequate supply by the prison.
 
varwoche said:
He needs to takes medication. He has been provided an inadequate supply by the prison.
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You mean he cant score enough weed in jail?;)


I dont think we know what he was charged with, only what he was convicted of.


Tony,
Why is that a lame excuse? I dont smoke cause I dont want to get caught, arrested, embarrased, and probably fired. YA think I follow all these laws just for kicks? Who does that!
 
Cleon said:
My personal take is whether it's for "medical reasons" or not is irrelevant; nobody should be in jail for smoking or growing pot. And he's not. He's in jail because he grew pot and had an unusable rifle. A menace to society he ain't, and it's outrageous that tax money is being used to keep him imprisoned.
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Imagine a country where the money and energy devoted to victimless crimes is instead put to productive use. I have a suggestion: Maybe these dictatorial morons could inspect a few cargo ships.
 
Tmy said:
You mean he cant score enough weed in jail?;)

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Then we should be sending him taffeta dresses, lipstick and mascara. He'll be ass-deep in dope in no time. We could always try Marlboros instead, but I think the first idea is better.

Sorry to join the cynical crowd, but Christ figures sure ain't what they used to be. Without even addressing the idea of growing dope (dumb) or keeping a firearm - unloaded or not - in a doorless closet off the front room (really dumb)... SG is a lawyer who should've known better. For all the preaching SG laid down, he sure wound up looking pretty damned stupid. Welcome to the difference between the internet and real life, kids.

Besides, someone ought to dredge up that statement he gave the forum before his surrender - it's the most self-serving pack of half-truths and lies I've ever seen. The realities of the case cast serious doubt on much of his martyrdom, and anyone who fails to see that they're taking a ride on the sucker express does so willingingly.

SG is not the kind of person I look up to, nor the kind I pity.

Flame away, folks, I couldn't care less.
 
Tmy said:
Why is that a lame excuse? I dont smoke cause I dont want to get caught, arrested, embarrased, and probably fired. YA think I follow all these laws just for kicks? Who does that!
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Thanks for the clarification. I thought you didn't smoke simply because it's illegal, not because of the reasons you mentioned. I can sympathize with that.

Whenever someone cites the "law" for a reason they avoid something it makes me want to slap them. Screw the law. Our country wouldn't exist and there would still be slavery if some people back in the day hadn't broken the law.

If you took the proper precautions to avoid getting caught, you wouldn't have a problem.
 
Jocko said:

SG is not the kind of person I look up to, nor the kind I pity.
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Me neither, but so what?

He's still a victim of the police state and thus, has my support. My personal feelings on the guy (based exclusively on this forum, which isn't a medium that is conducive to accurate judgments) are irrelevant.
 
Tony said:

If you took the proper precautions to avoid getting caught, you wouldn't have a problem.
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If only Sub wouldve taken this advice.

Really, how hard is it to land a connection and buy a bag once a week? If he did that and got caught then hed probably face a fine, proabtion max.

But noooooo he had to run Willy Wonkas Reeffer Factory. He should get 2 years for being so stupid.
 
Tmy said:
If only Sub wouldve taken this advice.

Really, how hard is it to land a connection and buy a bag once a week? If he did that and got caught then hed probably face a fine, proabtion max.

But noooooo he had to run Willy Wonkas Reeffer Factory. He should get 2 years for being so stupid.
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Timmy, it's a rare occassion when we're the only two people on the forum who agree on something. Is there an eclipse today or something? I think I should buy a lotto ticket.

Point is, SG's stated version of events is debunked from stem to stern by police reports, court reports and the realities of the penalty he was given. And unlike Tony, I prefer a little more integrity in my martyrs. Why not have a love-in for the KOA while we're at it, huh?
 
I respected Subby until he became the unofficial hatchet-man for the DNC during the last campaign for President.

I won't pile on, but he knew what the laws were, was caught, and is now paying the penalty.
 
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