Sub Jailed-ness

[Tmy]

If this was really America: "Land of the Free", Sub would still be here talking with us. It's a complete farce to say we live in a free country when crap like this earns you a prison sentence.

He'll be out by next Xmas.

Im sorry but he got what he deserved. The guys an attorney? That makes it worse. He has a brain in his head and a viable trade to earn a living. He has no excuse to go into drug trade.

 

[Tony]

Look. Since ya'll srot of know Sub I can understand you cutting him slack. But heres some of the facts that stand out to me:

*This case arises out of a search warrant

*Police found a marijuana grow operation in the basement. Police also observed a taser gun by the back door and a .22 caliber rifle in a closet with

*Police found some suspected marijuana stalks or stems, approximately a foot long, in the fireplace of the same room, where the closet containing the rifle was located.

*In the office room on the main floor of the house were a digital scale, a heat sealer used to seal plastic bags.


The guys house was RAIDED! RAIDED!!! That means they were watching him for a while and gathering evidence. Police dont generally waste that much effort on a sick guy growing his own medicine.

They found a large amount lying around. Seems like quite a bit for so called personal use.

"Digital scale......ect". Helllllo! Hes dealing! If its for personal use why do you need a whole packaging wing.



I live in a area that has a major drug problems. These gotcha gun laws are the best tool to get these guys off the street. If I was King Id decriminalize pot, but you're not gonna get much sympathy from me over the dealers.

Welcome to Amerika.

 

[varwoche]

five to forty-five kilograms of marijuana

Five kg of living marijuana plants reduces to a fractional quantity of smokable pot, and by no means proves he was dealing.

possession of a firearm

This is said to be an ancient, disfunctional .22 rifle which was a gift from his father.

The rifle was not loaded and no bullets were found in the house.

Supports Dan's story.

digital scale

He supposedly had a home office. If true, a digital scale is a basic necessity.

heat sealer used to seal plastic bags

Pot loses potency if not stored properly. If he was in fact growing for personal use, upon harvest he's going to be sitting on some quantity of pot that will last for a long period of time if stored properly. The heat sealer is not at odds with the personal use scenario.

hashish

The residue in the bottom of a bong can be classified as hashish, and sometimes is by zealous prosecuters.

He got probation for growing. He got jail for having a rifle in the same house.

 

[Tony]

Im sorry but he got what he deserved.

What!!!???!!!

How can you possibly justify throwing a non-offending, non0violent, non-thieving person in prison?

 

[Tmy]

You forgot to mention the raid. I guess we disagree on the analysis (you and me, not the jury)

Man, I'M supposed the crazy liberal here!!!! Yet Im the odd man out while you all think that a gun toating drug dealer getting 2 years is the greatest injustice ever.

 

[Cleon]

Man, I'M supposed the crazy liberal here!!!! Yet Im the odd man out while you all think that a gun toating drug dealer getting 2 years is the greatest injustice ever.

"gun-toting drug dealer?" Dude, it's not like he was selling outside elementary schools and offing people who invaded his turf.

He grew some pot and had a rusty old gun. Yeah, getting two years in prison for that IS an injustice.

 

[Tmy]

What!!!???!!!

How can you possibly justify throwing a non-offending, non0violent, non-thieving person in prison?

Well what should we do with him. Let him go?? Him and the enron guys?

I surprised ya'll by his rusty ol heirloom gun, self prescribed pot story. Sound far fetched to me.

He had a trial, even an appeal! Im sure he was defended quite well. A jury heard all the details and apparently didnt buy his cock n bull story.

 

[Tony]

Well what should we do with him. Let him go??

Yes.

Him and the enron guys?

Apples and oranges. Are you going to compare him to Charlie Manson next?

He had a trial, even an appeal! Im sure he was defended quite well. A jury heard all the details and apparently didnt buy his cock n bull story.

I don't see how this is relevant. The fact that a jury convicted him means nothing.

 

[Tmy]

He supposedly had a home office. If true, a digital scale is a basic necessity. Pot loses potency if not stored properly. If he was in fact growing for personal use, upon harvest he's going to be sitting on some quantity of pot that will last for a long period of time if stored properly. The heat sealer is not at odds with the personal use scenario. .

Did you know "gullible" isnt in the dictionary?

Pot can last for months even when stored in a shotty way. HARVEST!?!? Hes not tilling the feilds, its an indoor opertion. He can grow weed all year long. Cripes he was raided in March!! In Michigan!! Not exaclty growing season for anything.

Geez. How much pot can one man smoke anyway?

 

[LostAngeles]

Did you know "gullible" isnt in the dictionary?

Pot can last for months even when stored in a shotty way. HARVEST!?!? Hes not tilling the feilds, its an indoor opertion. He can grow weed all year long. Cripes he was raided in March!! In Michigan!! Not exaclty growing season for anything.

Geez. How much pot can one man smoke anyway?

A lot. You've never met my ex-boyfriend. I'm sure he's somewhere near you. You'd agree on lots of things, except drug laws.

Which is funny, because I agreed that drug laws were overly strict and marijuana might as well be legalized and apparently I was the D.A.R.E. poster child because I didn't smoke it.

I've seen SubGenius before. I thought he was a pretty intelligent and nice person. From what I'm seeing, I don't see him as a "gun-toting drug grower," even if it was for "personal use." An unloaded, old gun and a few pot plants gets you two years? It just seems a bit extreme for me here.

 

[The Fool]

Hi TMY

you are a peanut.



Dan was not charged with dealing because there is no evidence he was dealing....why not accuse him of child molesting while you are at it...

Idiot.

 

[Marquis de Carabas]

Geez. How much pot can one man smoke anyway?

At least a quarter a night for 6 months, though at the end of the 6 months, he may no longer recognise his life. But that might be the pills' fault.

And, um, of course I'm not speaking from, er, personal experience or anything.

 

[Cleon]

Pot can last for months even when stored in a shotty way.

Sure, but it loses its potency unless its stored properly. Same goes for tobacco; ask anyone who's smoked month-old cigarettes or cigars that haven't been kept in a humidor.

HARVEST!?!? Hes not tilling the feilds, its an indoor opertion.

There's still work involved, you know; you don't just sit the plants under a grow lamp, open the door three months later, and voila, you pick the leafy stuff off and smoke it. You have to sex the plants, figure out the exact time it's best to harvest based on the amount of THC, cure it, then store it. (Yes, you can actually google this info and find out all about it.)

He can grow weed all year long. Cripes he was raided in March!! In Michigan!! Not exaclty growing season for anything.

Yeah, he can grow weed all year long, but unless he has an enormous basement, it won't yield all that much. He was convicted of having 5-45 kg of plants; let's split the difference and make it 25 for the sake of argument.

It takes around 3 months for a plant to develop until it's ready for harvest (longer for certain breeds). Assuming he knew what he was doing and had a rotated crop, that means each grow would be about 8 kg (allowing for different stages of growth); that's at most six plants. Now, of those, some are going to be male plants and have to be thrown out. So let's think about three female plants per grow period. Maybe 25% of that mass will be smokable if harvested at exactly the right time; once harvested, it's dried out, so it winds up weighing even less.

Then that has to last three months until the next batch is ready.

So we're not talking about a heluva lot of pot here. If smoked regularly, as someone in chronic pain would do, this is enough for personal use and maybe a little bit extra. (If it were me, I'd keep the extra in case of a bad crop.)

Geez. How much pot can one man smoke anyway?

Judging by my high school years, which is where I got the above information, quite a lot.

 

[Tmy]

Idiot.

Well gee how can I go about winning your favor? Maybe if I go out and commit a handful of felonies?

Cheese n crackers Ive caught more guff from you guys for stealing cable than sub has for his den o drugs!

 

[WildCat]

Geez. How much pot can one man smoke anyway?

Cleon's right, but I'll clear it up a little more. The plants are sexed as soon as they show their sex, which is a week or so after the lights are turned off for 12 hrs. a day (this forces them to flower). The males are thrown out immediately, if left in the same room they will fertilize the females which will cause them to have seeds and also lower the flowers (buds) potency and size. If the raid took place before sexing the plants, it would tend to overstate the actual amount of pot since half of them would turn out to be males and thrown out. Also, the police like to include the root ball when they weigh the plant to bump up the weight. believe me, nobody smokes the roots! Also, the buds will lose about 75% of their weight once dried. So 5 kg of pot on the police report could well mean half a kilo of pot after harvest and drying. Could definitely be for personal use only. Don't ask how I know all this, but I can assure you I don't grow (or even smoke anymore) and SG's fate will not happen to me.

I really feel for the guy, he got the shaft big time by some prosecutor and cops wanting to prosecute a case to pump up their stats. The drug laws in this country suck.

I really hope Sub gets through this nightmare as intact as possible returns to the forum, he is missed here.

 

[Rob Lister]

Well gee how can I go about winning your favor? Maybe if I go out and commit a handful of felonies?

Cheese n crackers Ive caught more guff from you guys for stealing cable than sub has for his den o drugs!

Unlike the Fool, I won't call you an idiot on this one. I think you raise some good points. Here's what I think.

He may or may not have been distributing his product. I think he was given my less than complete knowledge of the facts.

I also think...so what!?

It's very hard for me to get my arms around sending someone to prison for pot, no matter the other circumstances. I certainly don't think they are jail-worthy.

In the end, your view is the winning view, which just goes to prove what I said earlier...

The law is an ass.

 

[Frank Newgent]

Clean out your PM box Frank.

Done. Thanks Tony. You, too, Rik.

 

[Frank Newgent]

Almost forgot....to all gracious enough to write: please enclose a SASE.

 

[The Fool]

Unlike the Fool, I won't call you an idiot on this one. I think you raise some good points. Here's what I think.

He may or may not have been distributing his product. I think he was given my less than complete knowledge of the facts.

Do you have alcohol in your house? If so, given my less than complete knowledge of the facts can I conclude you sell it to children?

He may or may not have been selling
he may or may not be a rapist
he may or may not be a Martian....

Tmy may or may not be an Idiot...so to be fair I should withdraw the claim that tmy is an idiot and replace it with the more accurate statement that it is my opinion that tmy's conclusion that those that posses something must be selling it is Idiotic...is that better?

 

[Frank Newgent]

If you can't fix it, feature it.

Uh, not you, Tmy.