Sub Jailed-ness

[Frank Newgent]

I'm in jail, I like it here
It's nice, I like it
Hello dad, I'm in jail
Hello, hello dad, hi, I'm in jail
Say hi to mom, from jail
I'm in jail, I'm gonna stay here
I like it here
I like it, yeah, throw away the key
I'm in jail

Was (Not Was)

Dan O'Leary'd like to hear from his friends. PM me for an impressive-sounding address.

 

[Frank Newgent]

A a quick note to those to thank very much those who PMed me for Dan's address. Should anyone else want to join in, why not PM me now? Here is a montage of emails from Dan's sister...

Dear friends and supporters of Dan O.

I am going to wait to send out the Application of Pardon or Commutation. Got a letter from Governor Granholm today saying the same thing her office told me on the phone when they called.

Will send everyone a copy in the next "Dan" letter. I'm waiting for several promised letters and think it worth while to wait for them. Also need to speak w/Dan before the final paperwork goes out.

Thanks. Everyone has been so kind and responded so wonderfully. If you have not sent a letter yet, please still consider doing so at this time.

that address is:

Michigan Department of Corrections/Office of the Parole Board
Pardons and Commutations Coordinator
P.O. Box 30003
Lansing Mich. 48909


Hate to ask for even more, but PLEASE include a contact in your letter to the Pardons Board Director, Patricia Caruso, such as a phone number or address so confirmation can be made that your letter is actually from you and not made up by ME....Please. I will not be signing anyone's name or changing any letter in any way from the way it is received. Signatures are not needed if you provide a contact.

I do thank everyone for their compassion, understanding, time and effort these letters take. Also, a letter need not be long. Just you, voicing your opinion about the intent of the law and how it does not apply to this case...And Dan being a non-violent, no threat kind of fellow, ect....I'm giving too many directions, huh?

I should have a new address for Dan shortly but don't stop sending mail and photo of yourself to address withheld for now.

Letters of support should be mailed to: address withheld

AND

Friends and family have attempted to send Dan stamps, envelopes, etc. He is unable to receive these items, but if you wish to include, as a gift to Dan, the money to purchase these things, please follow these directions.

You may send a money order or cashiers check ONLY. No personal checks or cash. Put it in with your letter to Dan.

It must be made out TO Daniel O'Leary # 404214. Just like this w/his number on it. It will be taken, by the mail room, and sent to the cashiers office and put directly in Dan's inmate account so he may purchase paper, envelopes and other personal items he may need. This is for those who wish to give him these things and Dan has not requested this. I am giving it out to those who have tried to send these things only to have them returned or confiscated from their letters. You may want to mention in your letter you have done this so Dan will know his account has the sufficient funds if he wishes to purchase needed items. I just got these directions from the Egeler Center where Dan is currently being held. The inmate account will follow him wherever he is moved to so you need not fear any money will be lost.

Thank you.

 

[Ian Osborne]

Who he?

 

[Pescado]

It's Subgenius. He was arrested and sentenced to 2 years(?) in jail for growing pot, which he used to control the seizures from a disorder he has. He wouldn't have gotten nearly as much time, but the arresting officers also found a rusty old rifle on the premises that belonged to Sub's father, and wasn't even in operating condition. There is a law where Sub lives that having a firearm during a marijuana grow operating, whether it works or not, means much more jail time.

I hope I got all of that right. If not, anyone should feel free to correct me.

I have conversed with Sub before on this forum, with a previous account that went down the drain during some of the year or so that it was unused, and I always thought he was a nice guy. I really feel for him in his situation. Via family members, I have first hand experience of what the legal system can do to a person, and how crimes that seem ridiculous to a skeptic can be charged and convicted on in court.

Please do keep us updated, Frank. I'd like to keep hearing these little tidbits. Although I never posted until recently, I've been an avid forum reader on and off for the past three years or so. Even before Sub "came out" I remember him dropping hints about it, especially in marijuana legalization threads. My point being that there are even more people paying attention and sympathizing with Sub's situation than you or he might know.

 

[Frank Newgent]

OK Fish...here's from another bit from an email from sub's sister:

You have to fill out a visitor application for pre-approval and that takes about 3-4 weeks...so I hate to say the chance at of a visit at this time is zero. I still have not seen Dan since he has been located 10 minutes from me and it is now possible he will be moved to any where in Michigan, including the UP. When he calls me it must be collect, even though it is a local call and I get charged the top rate, a special rate that they charge only inmates. Another way to gouge the incarcerated and their loved ones. While Dan has been here, there are NO personal visits. No one else in our family has seen Dan since before 8/25. So it has gotten very hard on Mom and looks to be a bleak Christmas. There are 9 of us siblings. It's hard to imagine one being so missed, but Dan very much is.

May seem silly but, please, anyone even remotely inclined to write to the governor, the Pardon Board or to Dan himself: go ahead please!.

[size=1/4]And Luke T be damned...[/size]

 

[Frank Newgent]

Our friend Dan O'Leary has been moved again. This time, it seems, for the remainder of his term.

Bathe fully in the éclat, the notoriety, the scandal...by writing to him.

Coddle your Balzac. PM me how.

 

[Frank Newgent]

If you can't fix it, feature it.

 

[rikzilla]

Wow!

Sorry to hear....

Frank;
I have PM'd you for the most recent contact info.
-z

 

[Tony]

Clean out your PM box Frank.

 

[Tmy]

It's Subgenius. He was arrested and sentenced to 2 years(?) in jail for growing pot, which he used to control the seizures from a disorder he has. He wouldn't have gotten nearly as much time, but the arresting officers also found a rusty old rifle on the premises that belonged to Sub's father, and wasn't even in operating condition. There is a law where Sub lives that having a firearm during a marijuana grow operating, whether it works or not, means much more jail time.

BWAHAHAHAHA! Thats sucks. Geeez how much pot was he growing? Id like to hear the cops version of the story, im sure its alot different. I cant see 2yrs under these facts. Methinks there are some details missing.

 

[Rob Lister]

BWAHAHAHAHA! Thats sucks. Geeez how much pot was he growing? Id like to hear the cops version of the story, im sure its alot different. I cant see 2yrs under these facts. Methinks there are some details missing.

Probably not many details are missing. In some states a grow operation will get you a lot more than two years, with or without a working rifle in the closet. In other states the cops will ticket you for having your gro-lights on during the daytime (sarcasm but not much).

The law is an ass.

 

[Tmy]

Hey Im no fan of mandatory minimums.

Youd think that such a sob story would fly with a jury. Probably didnt even get that far.

Whatd he get bopped for? Some gun + drugs mandatoy/min statute.?


Heres my guess on the moral of the story: If your gonna grow your own pot DONT GROW IT BY THE ACRE!!!

 

[Luke T.]

BWAHAHAHAHA! Thats sucks. Geeez how much pot was he growing? Id like to hear the cops version of the story, im sure its alot different. I cant see 2yrs under these facts. Methinks there are some details missing.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data2/michiganstatecases/appeals/102803/20863.pdf

Defendant appeals by right his jury trial conviction for manufacture of five to forty-five kilograms of marijuana, MCL 333.7401(2)(d)(ii)1, possession of a taser, MCL 750.224a, and
possession of a firearm during the commission of a felony, MCL 750.227b. Defendant was sentenced to three years’ probation for the possession of a taser and manufacture of marijuana
convictions, and to two years in prison for the felony-firearm conviction. We affirm.

This case arises out of a search warrant executed on defendant’s home on March 30, 2001. Defendant owned and lived in the home but was not there when the warrant was executed.
Defendant arrived during the search. Police found a marijuana grow operation in the basement. Police also observed a taser gun by the back door and a .22 caliber rifle in a closet with
no door and which was located next to the front door in the family room. The rifle, on the main level of the house, was approximately fifty to sixty feet from the basement grow operation. The rifle was not loaded and no bullets were found in the house. Police found some suspected marijuana stalks or stems, approximately a foot long, in the fireplace of the same room, where the closet containing the rifle was located. In the office room on the main floor of the house were a digital scale, a heat sealer used to seal plastic bags, marijuana residue and hashish.
Suspected marijuana seeds were on the desk and nightstand in the master bedroom and in various other places throughout the house.

The Court stated that possession is not determined at the time of the raid or the arrest, but at the time that the felony is being committed. Id. at 438. The Court went on to state, “[a] drug possession offense can take place over an extended period, during which an offender is variously in proximity to the firearm and at a distance from it. In a case of that sort, the focus would be on the offense dates specified in the information.”

 

[Tmy]

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data2/michiganstatecases/appeals/102803/20863.pdf

Ummmmmm should he be let go? Hes trafficing drugs and theres a gun and tazer around. 2 years seems about right.

People say we dont use the gun laws on the books. Well hear ya go.

 

[varwoche]

When you write to Dan (sub), there's a chance he will write you back. And unlike an internet forum, replete with an air of unreality, you will see a hand-written return address. It is a stark piece of reality, let me tell you.

I don't have direct knowledge of the particulars. While it's possible that Dan is a drug-dealing low-life, that is not my take at all. It simply doesn't fit that an intelligent attorney with a neurological disease is also a low-life drug dealer. Possibe? Sure. But not probable.

While he was wrestling with his legal situation, his daughter died. Anyone want to laugh about that?

Preemptively, fellow skeptics: No, I can't prove he is an attorney, nor can I prove he has a disease, nor that his daughter died.

 

[Cleon]

Is there anyone here who thinks their tax dollars are being used wisely by keeping Subgenius in prison, when he didn't harm anyone?

 

[Luke T.]

Preemptively, fellow skeptics: No, I can't prove he is an attorney, nor can I prove he has a disease, nor that his daughter died.

I can prove he's an attorney.

[level+level2!3A++[field+p+number!3A34977]+]/doc/{@109739}/hit_headings?]Link

NOTICE OF SUSPENSION

(With Conditions)

Case Nos. 02-27-AI; 02-52-JC

Notice Issued: September 3, 2002

Daniel J. O'Leary, P-28692, Farmington Hills, Michigan, by the Attorney Discipline Board Tri-County Hearing Panel #61.

1.Suspension - 2 Years and 11 Months;

2.Effective March 12, 2002.

Based on respondent's conviction in the Oakland County Circuit Court of the felonies of Manufacturing of 5-45 kilograms of Marijuana; Possession of a Firearm in the Commission of a Felony; and Possession of a Taser, in violation of MCL 333.74012D11, MCL 750.227B-A and MCL 750.224A, respectively, the hearing panel ordered that respondent's license to practice law in Michigan be suspended for two years and eleven months, retroactive to March 12, 2002, the date of respondent's felony conviction. The panel also ordered that respondent be subject to conditions relative the established misconduct and assessed costs in the amount of $388.56.

edited to add: Geez, I can't get the stupid link to work right. But what's there should get you on the right track to the right page.

 

[Tmy]

Look. Since ya'll srot of know Sub I can understand you cutting him slack. But heres some of the facts that stand out to me:

*This case arises out of a search warrant

*Police found a marijuana grow operation in the basement. Police also observed a taser gun by the back door and a .22 caliber rifle in a closet with

*Police found some suspected marijuana stalks or stems, approximately a foot long, in the fireplace of the same room, where the closet containing the rifle was located.

*In the office room on the main floor of the house were a digital scale, a heat sealer used to seal plastic bags.


The guys house was RAIDED! RAIDED!!! That means they were watching him for a while and gathering evidence. Police dont generally waste that much effort on a sick guy growing his own medicine.

They found a large amount lying around. Seems like quite a bit for so called personal use.

"Digital scale......ect". Helllllo! Hes dealing! If its for personal use why do you need a whole packaging wing.



I live in a area that has a major drug problems. These gotcha gun laws are the best tool to get these guys off the street. If I was King Id decriminalize pot, but you're not gonna get much sympathy from me over the dealers.

 

[Tony]

If this was really America: "Land of the Free", Sub would still be here talking with us. It's a complete farce to say we live in a free country when crap like this earns you a prison sentence.

 

[rikzilla]

Personally I liked SG. We had many spirited debates and he had a very sharp wit. I know, it skewered me every now and again. I think it sucks what happened to him. Same could have happened to me in my youth, before I wised up and became conservative!!


I'd like to drop him a line just to say how sorry I am that he's in the hoosegow. That other stuff, if true, sucks even worse. SG needs some friends...I wouldn't mind being one of 'em.

For whatever that's worth...

-z