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Stealing elections

Bubba

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How likely is it that there are corrupt democrats and republicans who would not hesitate to flip/steal votes/elections with the computer voting machines?

How likely is it that they have already attempted it done it and got away with it ?

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For reference purposes:

We have seen the observations/assertions made by BlackBoxVoting regarding e-ballot fraud...

Bev harris black box voting ballot fraud


We have seen how easy it is...


princeton hacks voting machine


We have seen Spoonamore's Ohio 04 election fraud assertion and evidence,


We have seen Florida...

florida voting machine fraud

We've seen anonymous claiming that they blocked Karl Rove's later attempt at stealing Ohio election.

did anonymous defeat karl rove
 
Most of the references are crap references, full of claims and no actual evidence which is why none of them are from even slightly reputable news sources.

The only true one is the story of the Princeton Professor who showed how theoretically an older now obsolete voting machine could be hacked. However he has not claimed that it actually has happened and IIRC, the information he provided has made it less likely that it will happen.
 
Democrats steal elections by recruiting minorities and the poor to vote -- directly contradicting the intentions of the Founding Fathers. Most of those people do not even own property. Republicans try to counterbalance by loyally supporting their brothers, and subverting the intentions of batty old Jews in Miami-Dade.
 
Conspiracy theories have their own special place in the forum. Bev Harris and Stephen Spoonamore are kooks.
 
republickers cannot be trusted. Hope this helps your political excursions!!!!!
 
Bubba said:
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We are not required to address you with what you consider "valid" responses. We also have no obligation to inform yet another void in your education. This is the USA Politics sub-forum. The participants here are involved in a current election (you'll probably discover it in about 2024 based on the lag time for most of your "finds") and apparently don't feel the need to correct your errant ways, yet again.

Do your own research. Come to your own conclusions. A thread with a link to a couple of loons is not going to get much attention other than to advise you that the information you've posted is from a couple of loons and a suggestion that you take your latest, of many, JAQ over to a sub-forum that deals with that sort of thing.
 
Cranky old wet blanket.

Have it your way....skip the "loony links" if you wish.

The question stands well without links.

Your reply suggests you might answer without loon links.

How likely is it that there are corrupt democrats and republicans who would not hesitate to flip/steal votes/elections with the computer voting machines?
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I wish I would wake up tomorrow to find someone has stolen the 2016 election. Trump and Clinton just vanished to who-knows-where, and we're left with semi-reasonable candidates...

...one can dream...:thumbsup:
 
Cain said:
Democrats steal elections by recruiting minorities and the poor to vote -- directly contradicting the intentions of the Founding Fathers. Most of those people do not even own property. Republicans try to counterbalance by loyally supporting their brothers, and subverting the intentions of batty old Jews in Miami-Dade.
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.... gerrymandering constituency borders and passing ridiculous identity requirements to vote, also contradicting the intentions of the Founding Fathers.

You misspelled the struck through part.
 
Well, with paperless voting machines vote-rigging is quite easy. I can´t understand why they are still in use in some US states. If they were used in my country I´d make quite a fuss about it.
 
Any dedicated effort to swing the election with shenanigans would need to overcome the patchwork quilt of state-level unique solutions to common problems. It couldn't be done as one effort, but 50 different efforts, with 50 different strategies each with a unique set of failure modes and discovery risks.
 
Jrrarglblarg said:
Any dedicated effort to swing the election with shenanigans would need to overcome the patchwork quilt of state-level unique solutions to common problems. It couldn't be done as one effort, but 50 different efforts, with 50 different strategies each with a unique set of failure modes and discovery risks.
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It´s still about 2.000 times easier that rigging elections that count votes manually...

(100.000 polling precincts / 50 states assuming rigging one paper vote polling precinct is similarly difficult to rig to a state-level electronic system. I will assume this because I guess a similar number of people would have to be "bought" in either case)
 
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In my state we use OCR systems. The voter fills in the square just like in school, machines scan the sheets, and some number of votes are hand counted to validate the OCR count for the same sample, with some sampling protocol I don't know much about. We had some OCR failures in the past involving machines not reading marks, so correct pencils, better voter instructions and spot checks of the count became part of the system. At this point I think only the voters can screw it up, not reading instructions mostly.

Fun fact: I'm registered to vote under a different name than my ID. I was born (changed to protect the innocent) Donald Jrrarglblarg Drumph, but I've always gone by Jrrarglblarg, so my voter registration is actually under Jrrarglblarg Donald Drumph. I enlisted twice and held security clearances under that name, but I've never changed my name officially so my state ID/driver's license is Donald first.
 
The weak point traditionally has been the tabulators. Poll-site vote-rigging, regardless of its alleged ease, is still almost unheard of. It's just too onerous for the effect obtained. The tabulators aggregate results from many precincts, and is therefore a single point of access to a great many votes. And tabulators are still employed whether the ballot is marked paper, OCR paper, paperless, or absentee/mail. They were also historically bereft of even reasonable measures taken toward operational security. Thanks to the efforts of many advocates and researchers, they are much more secure.
 
Jrrarglblarg said:
Any dedicated effort to swing the election with shenanigans would need to overcome the patchwork quilt of state-level unique solutions to common problems. It couldn't be done as one effort, but 50 different efforts, with 50 different strategies each with a unique set of failure modes and discovery risks.
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It's probably worse than that. In many, if not all states, elections are primarily handled at the county level, and the counties may not all use the same hardware or software.
 
CORed said:
It's probably worse than that. In many, if not all states, elections are primarily handled at the county level, and the counties may not all use the same hardware or software.
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God, every time I think about Canada vs. the US, whether it's politics, voting, health care, or just about anything else, I think of this Mitchell&Webb bit:




Canada is the men in this analogy. Americans, sort yourself out!
 
CORed said:
It's probably worse than that. In many, if not all states, elections are primarily handled at the county level, and the counties may not all use the same hardware or software.
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Verified Voting graphically displays all the equipment being used nationally, by state, county etc etc.
The background data can be downloaded in Excel, CSV and JSON.
 
San Francisco has had ballot boxes and ballots "go missing"

http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Scavenged-ballot-box-lids-haunt-S-F-elections-3302604.php

The concern that vote-by-mail ballots may not be counted led to the creation of

www.sfelections.org/vbmstatus

I do not have any evidence that any election has been "stolen" by voter fraud, but I have no doubt that in some situations voter fraud has been committed on an institutional, rather than individual basis, and that both parties in the U.S. engage in it.

One of my older relatives often described election day incentives in his youth - a choice between a .50 cent cigar or a shot of whiskey for a straight party ticket vote - offered by the local democratic party in the New Orleans parish and this was both before and after WWII, right up into the 1960's, and another oldtimer has told me about the repubs rigging the voting machines in the central valley here in California to not count demo votes - and he knew of this because he and his partner in their machine shop did the work themselves.
 
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