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Seeing Cryptids: The Problems

StankApe said:
When was the last time a team of cryptozoologists went looking for some mundane new species like a new type of forest deer in Asia, or a new spider in South America? It always seems to be some goofy mythical animal .
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Cryptozoology is Monster Hunting. You would have to be a real zoologist to find excitement in looking for "a new type of forest deer in Asia, or a new spider in South America." Unless, of course, we're considering Monster Forest Deer or Spider Giants.
 
Don't forget that physical anthro dude who had his skeleton and that of his dog put in a museum, can't recall his name offhand...

And I think Freidman only has a Master's.
 
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Sonny2 said:
Don't forget that physical anthro dude who had his skeleton and that of his dog put in a museum, can't recall his name offhand...

And I think Freidman only has a Master's.
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you are correct (per Wiki) i coulda swore i remembered a little "PHD" being stuck after his name on various UFO shows.... hmm
 
Wouldn't be the first phid not really earned. Maybe it was bestowed on him as an honorary phid by the University of UFO Studies down in Roswell. (If there isn't one, there should be.)
 
Right you are Jerry Wayne, I thought bag, then WTF, but I'm pretty sure it's some kind of electrical plasma, not blue like St. Elmo's fire, not as bright as the ball lightening. The reddish color of the blobs inside the blob made me wonder about the freon.

As it relates to cryptids, I misidentified this thing as a living creature. If it happened to me it can happen to anyone because I'm cool headed when faced with emergencies and I have an eye for detail since I draw and paint.
 
Jodie said:
As it relates to cryptids, I misidentified this thing as a living creature.
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As with Bigfoot, you then must understand that there would be breeding populations... and if you are able to see that (living) thing right there then many others before you would have confirmed its existence as a living creature.

Right?
 
Because there were hardly any reports of anything like this, I knew it couldn't be anything living, so I kept looking for any other explanation that fit. Considering the circumstances from which the thing originated from, around a high voltage unit, it has to be an electrical phenomenon, even if that phenomenon is poorly understood.

Same with bigfoot, especially these new cases where people report them on all fours. We are talking about fleeting glimpses at night most of the time. It would be very easy to misidentify something like that. Mix that with the folk lore of bigfoot and the legend continues to morph into what it is today. My only question is how much further can people go with this before it becomes "just a legend", when do the sightings stop?

If people are hallucinating, misidentifying things one would think it would include a wide variety of various types of creatures that we already have that are mythical, why a hairy hominid?
 
Sonny2 said:
Don't forget that physical anthro dude who had his skeleton and that of his dog put in a museum, can't recall his name offhand...
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Grover Krantz, Meldrum's Rasputin. Both Meldrum, and Krantz before him, attained the academic rank of "full professor"; they are/were not merely PhDs. To attain that highest academic rank (short of honorary designations), the faculty member must be recognized as a scholar of international prominence. In other words, your PhD alone can't even get you tenure. You've got to be very well respected to reach the rank these men have/did.
 
That's it. Thanks, Shrike. Yes, it just shows to go ya that even the most respected have compartments in their brains that the woo can filter into. We're all human.
 
jerrywayne said:
Jodie,

Reading your first post, I imagined this scenario, but more airborne:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A6723xD4oI&feature=related

You are leaning towards this, or something else: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4vV3KxQ16c&feature=related

To bring it back to cryptids -- would you like to reintroduce your father's "woolly booger" encounter? I would appreciate it if you may.
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Regarding the second youtubbie, better be careful with it.

It starts with a video from Varginha; the video is actually the "Capão Redondo UFO", filmed at São Paulo and suspected of being a hoax. There's a thread about it somewhere here at JREF. Other segments are also suspect. Not to mention the alleged footage of lab experiments. Ever seen someone working at a lab wearing sandals?
 
Correa Neto said:
Regarding the second youtubbie, better be careful with it.

It starts with a video from Varginha; the video is actually the "Capão Redondo UFO", filmed at São Paulo and suspected of being a hoax. There's a thread about it somewhere here at JREF. Other segments are also suspect. Not to mention the alleged footage of lab experiments. Ever seen someone working at a lab wearing sandals?
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I admit to lameness here. I looked around for a good ball lightning video (don't know if such exists) and kept finding myself back at this one. It is suspect, or most of it seems to be. Like the music though, and it is spooky.
 
1977 Mission, B.C. Bigfoot Sighting Hoax

Here is a Bigfoot hoax in the land of the Sasquatch (British Columbia) that probably exceeded even the wildest dreams of its four perpetrators.
They apparently fooled a few on-site folks, including an up-close encounter by a respectable citizen, as well as local authorities and a famous Bigfoot hunter.

http://www.bigfootencounters.com/articles/canadianhoax.htm

When I brought this up at BFF, two responses puzzled me. One was of the "you have to prove all sightings are hoaxes or misidentifications to disprove Bigfoot" line of uncomprehending dogma. The other was simply to call the mundane explanation for this sighting (a hoax) ridiculous, so that the mundane becomes the incredible and the incredible becomes the mundane. This feat is doable only if you have become so acclimated to the idea Bigfoot is real, that you have forgotten just how improbable the Bigfoot saga really is.
 
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Jodie said:
If people are hallucinating, misidentifying things one would think it would include a wide variety of various types of creatures that we already have that are mythical, why a hairy hominid?
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Good observation. A single explanation won't do the trick. A confluence of various effects, maybe: knowledge of real, past Darwinian forms; popular entertainment, from Edgar Rice Burroughs' "Apeman" to campfire stories of wildmen in the woods, the "boogie man" and such; best "monster movie" monsters are bipedal and man-like, such as Frankenstein, Wolfman, Mummy, Vampires; the talent of the chroniclers, such as Sanderson and Green, Coleman, Keel, etc.; the spreading of the meme from working class men's entertainment magazines (TRUE, Argosy, Saga, not Playboy) to a larger press and to television and cable and film; professional advocate class largely free of counter-balancing criticisms and forces; the superficial credibility of the saga as just a wildlife issue; and the innate attraction to believing in something very much like us, but not us.

Since most people know what a Bigfoot is supposed to look like, there is little variety in what is alleged to be sighted. Just think of how most Bigfoot sightings claim the beast is 7-8 feet tall, and then ask yourself how the height was determined in the cases of fleeting glimpses, or quick road crossings yards ahead, etc. The meme kicks in, and keeps it "real."
 
jerrywayne said:
Here is a Bigfoot hoax in the land of the Sasquatch (British Columbia) that probably exceeded even the wildest dreams of its four perpetrators.
They apparently fooled a few on-site folks, including an up-close encounter by a respectable citizen, as well as local authorities and a famous Bigfoot hunter.

http://www.bigfootencounters.com/articles/canadianhoax.htm

When I brought this up at BFF, two responses puzzled me. One was of the "you have to prove all sightings are hoaxes or misidentifications to disprove Bigfoot" line of uncomprehending dogma. The other was simply to call the mundane explanation for this sighting (a hoax) ridiculous, so that the mundane becomes the incredible and the incredible becomes the mundane. This feat is doable only if you have become so acclimated to the idea Bigfoot is real, that you have forgotten just how improbable the Bigfoot saga really is.
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Nice.

The witness who chased the actor gave testimony that he smelled a horrible odor like rotten meat. So I wonder if the hoaxers went so far as to plant something, or whether this is exaggeration/ignorance.

There are many times in the woods where we have rotten smells depending on season, moisture, sunshine and heat, or whatever. You can disturb cover that is over some pretty wretched stuff.
 
jerrywayne said:
Here is a Bigfoot hoax in the land of the Sasquatch (British Columbia) that probably exceeded even the wildest dreams of its four perpetrators.
They apparently fooled a few on-site folks, including an up-close encounter by a respectable citizen, as well as local authorities and a famous Bigfoot hunter.

http://www.bigfootencounters.com/articles/canadianhoax.htm

When I brought this up at BFF, two responses puzzled me. One was of the "you have to prove all sightings are hoaxes or misidentifications to disprove Bigfoot" line of uncomprehending dogma. The other was simply to call the mundane explanation for this sighting (a hoax) ridiculous, so that the mundane becomes the incredible and the incredible becomes the mundane. This feat is doable only if you have become so acclimated to the idea Bigfoot is real, that you have forgotten just how improbable the Bigfoot saga really is.
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I kept running across this attitude in other bigfoot threads even among people who seemed to be rational in other areas. It goes even a little further. An obvious hoax not only leaves intact all other sightings, but it oftebn leaves intact even the sightings of the person doing the hoax. The argument is that they had to resort to hoaxing because the real evidence was not accepted. Sort of like when the TV network put explosives in a Chevy truck to prove they gas tanks would explode. Except that in Bigfoot land, they get away with it even after the exposé.
 
AlaskaBushPilot said:
Nice.

The witness who chased the actor gave testimony that he smelled a horrible odor like rotten meat. So I wonder if the hoaxers went so far as to plant something, or whether this is exaggeration/ignorance.

There are many times in the woods where we have rotten smells depending on season, moisture, sunshine and heat, or whatever. You can disturb cover that is over some pretty wretched stuff.
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I wanted to ask you because of your experience in the North:

Do you ever find bear carcasses? That's a oft repeated bigfooter claim that they never do but my woods experience has generally been in low-density bear areas. I'm sure that in an area where there are bears you would.

In Eastern WA I once found a bear's jawbone.

You are correct sir: Many times I have been picking mushrooms or looking for a tree stand site or just walking through the woods and you get that death smell from somewhere. Once my wife and I were trout fishing along a stream in Missouri and caught that scent. The water was falling after a good spring rain and the browns and bows were biting good. Up on a gravel bank upstream from where we filled our water bottles was a massive bloated dead cow on the bank.
 
foxholeatheist said:
I wanted to ask you because of your experience in the North:

Do you ever find bear carcasses?
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Sort of. Shot five of them. Mostly grizzlies charging in order to steal my moose kill. But unlike Justin Smeja I have skulls and hides. Lots of pictures too, live and dead.

We run across a lot of animal carcasses or bones but I don't recall running across a bear. Other people do occasionally.

Some pretty rancid smells come from vegetative matter too. There's one smell I have never located the source to because you just catch whiffs of it as air masses are moving around. I'm certain it isn't an animal, but a person not familiar with vegetative vs carcass smells might attribute it incorrectly.
 
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