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Seeing Cryptids: The Problems

I always figured you saw a glowing ember from a fire. I've seen them come floating by when they do controlled burns at the sandhill crane refuge. They can look really weird
 
Well it was mighty huge to be an ember, I didn't see any smoke anywhere from a fire, or smell a fire. But it was related to fire in that it would have been hot.
 
I was inclined too to guess at a burning piece of paper that rose from a trash fire, but I'm guessing it wasn't if it didn't diminish or give itself away while being watched unless it went behind something in its flight.
 
It came up from the ground with a pop and sparks over by an A/C unit. Best I can tell it was some kind of plasma ball/ blob from something wrong the with unit. Only 1 percent of the population has witnessed them but it looked exactly like what was created artificially in labs, they can look like living things.I believe they are more common than one might think and are misidentified as UFO's.
 
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Jerrymander said:
Ever notice how cyptozoologists don't discover new species? They claim to want to discover new species but focus on celebrity monsters.
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Yep, a shame. I like cryptozoology in principle. Even if there is only a few hundredths of a percent chance of something holding I think it's worth looking into. But being blind to the realities of those odds, and worse poo pooing 'skeptics' on some strawman definition of what a skeptic is, is inexcusable. Skeptics are your friends in these matters and set the bar for what is required to accomplish something unique, and nearly always right to boot.

The label cryptozoology is unfortunately owned by quacks.
 
When was the last time a team of cryptozoologists went looking for some mundane new species like a new type of forest deer in Asia, or a new spider in South America? It always seems to be some goofy mythical animal .
 
Another real problem with crypto types is that they refuse to employ scientific methods, though they'll say they do.
 
Sonny2 said:
Another real problem with crypto types is that they refuse to employ scientific methods, though they'll say they do.
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"discovered strange hair in the mud, carefully placed it in a ziploc bag leftover from lunch, since cheetos have no DNA there should be no contamination"
 
LOL. Yup, and they used their bare hands to put it in there, the same hands that just recently had been playing with the dog and before that, changed the oil in the old Chevy pickup.
 
Jodie said:
It came up from the ground with a pop and sparks over by an A/C unit. Best I can tell it was some kind of plasma ball/ blob from something wrong the with unit. Only 1 percent of the population has witnessed them but it looked exactly like what was created artificially in labs, they can look like living things.I believe they are more common than one might think and are misidentified as UFO's.
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What happened to it? Did it just stop being there, or did it continue to fly away unchanged? It still sounds to me like something ignited, but having said that I should mention that I am convinced that once very long ago I saw ball ligtning appear over an old well shortly before a big storm, and a second time I saw something like indoor St. Elmo's fire near a shop-based stereo system just before a huge lightning strike hit the well 40 or so feet away, fried a couple of breaker panels, killed the pump, fried the TV in the house and blew the bejeezus out of my shop's 15 inch woofer. So, if electrical storm activity was involved I'm willing to accept the odd.
 
I saw ST. Elmo's fire once when I was a teen. It actually came out of my closet and hovered in the room, a blue ball of electricity. Scared the crap out of me and the dog both. Actually, maybe it was ball lightning, but it was indoors, whihc was odd. But my closet had a big hole in the wall - it was a really old house.
 
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Well maybe that was what it was then, I thought it was an electric plasma ball caused by something wrong with the A/C after I ruled out flying amoeba and atmospheric beasts. At the time I walked under it I was too mystified to be scared, just amazed.
 
Sonny2 said:
Another real problem with crypto types is that they refuse to employ scientific methods, though they'll say they do.
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It's not actually a problem. Nothing really changes with a Bigfoot believer when they employ scientific methodology.

Without scientific method: I found a huge footprint in the woods. I think it's Bigfoot.

With scientific method: I found a 16" x 6" humanlike footprint in a deciduous forest at 11:39am. I think it's Bigfoot.
 
You always hear from cyptozoologists that "[insert animal] was dismissed as a legend." This is especially said of gorillas. Where do they get this narrative?
 
William Parcher said:
It's not actually a problem. Nothing really changes with a Bigfoot believer when they employ scientific methodology.

Without scientific method: I found a huge footprint in the woods. I think it's Bigfoot.

With scientific method: I found a 16" x 6" humanlike footprint in a deciduous forest at 11:39am. I think it's Bigfoot.
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Well, yeah, maybe OK, but the leap from finding footprint to Bigfoot sure ain't very scientific methody in eitehr example, is it?

A REAL scientist would say:

Cogito ergo sum, Bigfoot. Or something more scientific like that. Maybe "a fortiori Bigfoot."
 
Jerrymander said:
You always hear from cyptozoologists that "[insert animal] was dismissed as a legend." This is especially said of gorillas. Where do they get this narrative?
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In general, cryptozoologists get their info and stories from other cryptozoologists.

But it wouldn't matter even if the gorilla was dismissed as legend by some people. We are talking about creatures that cannot be confirmed to exist. The gorilla was never ever in that set.
 
Jodie said:
Well maybe that was what it was then, I thought it was an electric plasma ball caused by something wrong with the A/C after I ruled out flying amoeba and atmospheric beasts. At the time I walked under it I was too mystified to be scared, just amazed.
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The first time I saw Ball Lightening it scared me to death :o At 18 I had no clue what it was and had never heard of it. I saw this at Ft. Polk, LA. Now, I'd love to see it again, it's fascinating.
 
I wanted to stay calm so I could really get a good look at it, it certainly looked exactly like a skin cell does under a microscope, or an amoeba. At any rate, I wonder if it had something to do with the freon in the A/C since it wasn't your typical blue color.
 
Sonny2 said:
Well, yeah, maybe OK, but the leap from finding footprint to Bigfoot sure ain't very scientific methody in eitehr example, is it?
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When people recommend scientific methodology to cryptozoologists usually they mean in documentation, evidence gathering and proper handling. Yes, you don't just go and declare the footprint to be Bigfoot but there isn't any law saying you can't after you have used scientific methodology to obtain and analyze evidence. That's actually done by a number of Bigfooters. But it doesn't stop them from thinking that what they found is Bigfoot evidence.

Maybe the bigger problems are lack of proper critical thinking, rationality and reason. Without those in place, all the science in the world won't steer you right and we can see that because....



A REAL scientist would say:

Cogito ergo sum, Bigfoot. Or something more scientific like that. Maybe "a fortiori Bigfoot."
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Jeff Meldrum is a real scientist and he is also a strong Bigfoot believer.
 
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