Scott Watson

[smartcooky]

Anyway, isn't Scott Watson about due for release? He was sentenced in 1999 to 17 years, theoretically he should be out next year.

I thought he got life with a minimum non-parole period of 17 years. Parole is not a given and sometimes, inmates who continue to maintain their innocence are not granted parole at the first try.

I have to wonder why the authorities don't want Watson being interviewed... perhaps they have something to hide

 

[Annella]

The victims are (presumably) dead, I'm not sure what interests they would have. Methinks his main "concern" is not getting the public wound up to the point where difficult questions might be asked and a miscarriage of justice might actually be proved by someone.

Anyway, isn't Scott Watson about due for release? He was sentenced in 1999 to 17 years, theoretically he should be out next year.

Im pretty sure Rishworth was against 'victims family' not the victims ( obviously) being subjected to Watson's words possibly being heard via the Nth & Sth journo.
Watson has consistently held his not guilty position and as he is due for parole very soon, he is running out of time very quickly to prove his innocence as once freed, AFAIK, he cannot then contest his case and expect compensation.
I believe he should most definitely be permitted to talk with this journalist.

 

[Samson]

The victims are (presumably) dead, I'm not sure what interests they would have. Methinks his main "concern" is not getting the public wound up to the point where difficult questions might be asked and a miscarriage of justice might actually be proved by someone.

Anyway, isn't Scott Watson about due for release? He was sentenced in 1999 to 17 years, theoretically he should be out next year.

Im pretty sure Rishworth was against 'victims family' not the victims ( obviously) being subjected to Watson's words possibly being heard via the Nth & Sth journo.
Watson has consistently held his not guilty position and as he is due for parole very soon, he is running out of time very quickly to prove his innocence as once freed, AFAIK, he cannot then contest his case and expect compensation.
I believe he should most definitely be permitted to talk with this journalist.

Those not paying attention are now few.
This case and others are dynamite for attending to a disgracefull few decades that have hoodwinked a gullible small nation.

 

[Hard Cheese]

Watson has consistently held his not guilty position and as he is due for parole very soon, he is running out of time very quickly to prove his innocence as once freed, AFAIK, he cannot then contest his case and expect compensation.

Really, he can't contest his conviction once he has been paroled or his sentence served? That seems very unfair. What happens if he finds some piece of evidence that proves his innocence? There should be no statute of limitations on him clearing his name.

I believe he should most definitely be permitted to talk with this journalist.

I completely agree. There's something not right in a system where a person can't maintain their innocence and be denied freedom of speech. Worse yet, their parole being tied to not maintaining their innocence.

 

[The Atheist]

AFAIK, he cannot then contest his case and expect compensation.

Of course he can. There is no statute of limitations in effect and Peter Ellis is still seeking his rightful justice despite his sentence finishing years ago.

 

[Hard Cheese]

I thought he got life with a minimum non-parole period of 17 years. Parole is not a given and sometimes, inmates who continue to maintain their innocence are not granted parole at the first try.

Sorry, you're right - life with 17 year non-parole. Maintenance of innocence should never be a consideration in parole, it's an arrogant justice system that believes itself infallible and forces the convicted to agree with that belief.

I have to wonder why the authorities don't want Watson being interviewed... perhaps they have something to hide

They have a multi million dollar payout on their hands if his dodgy conviction is overturned, they want as few people poking their noses into the case as possible. And I'm sure it is about protecting the public image of the police and the justice system, rather than allowing questions to be asked about what really happened.

 

[Samson]

Sean Plunkett just read an email saying the ketch was The Lone Bird, scuttled in Gisborne and sunk as an artificial reef in 2003 off Young Nick's Head. The owner is now serving a life sentence in Australia. The ketch was involved in drug smuggling.

I have heard the same caller twice in two days giving testimony that he had a brand new video camera, and videoed everything, including Scott Watson's boat, and two ketches, one of which matched the one described by Guy Wallace leaving the inlet at 6 am on new years day. He spent 3 and a half hours being grilled by the police. They kept his film, of which he had not made a copy, and said they would return it. He asked three times for it, they fobbed him off and he never saw it again.

The police say there was no ketch in the inlet on new years eve. They are lying

This case is getting huge media traction in New Zealand right now, and is a case before the new commission.

Mike White is trying to get that interview. Corrections say he can conduct it by letter, but letters are censored. This is not an option for him. Gerald Hope is keen for the interview but wants to be present. Mary Smart opposes the interview.

 

[The Atheist]

This case is getting huge media traction in New Zealand right now, and is a case before the new commission.

Good grief, I wish you'd drop the hyperbole.

The case has been in the news, primarily because Watson is in court right now, but it is not gaining any traction at all and has already been consigned to back pages.

Interest in Watson is nil. The number of people who care whether he lives or dies is probably still in two digits.

 

[Samson]

Good grief, I wish you'd drop the hyperbole.

The case has been in the news, primarily because Watson is in court right now, but it is not gaining any traction at all and has already been consigned to back pages.

Interest in Watson is nil. The number of people who care whether he lives or dies is probably still in two digits.

Better grief, interest in Watson was intense on the station I listened to, 3 hours of eyewitness and other accounts.

 

[The Atheist]

Let me guess, talkback?

Yep, talkback radio achieves a lot and is mainstream.

Sounds legit.

 

[Samson]

I listen to radio live, Sean Plunkett is a blowhard who knows everything. He tried Watson this morning, judge only, and got verdict of probably guilty, and declared Mike White was out to sell magazines, and so on.
I find people often ring with some inside knowledge on their subject.

 

[smartcooky]

Let me guess, talkback?

Yep, talkback radio achieves a lot and is mainstream.

Sounds legit.

Talkback radio gets between 20 and 30% of the audience share in NZ Radio. (Newstalk ZB gets 12 - 18% on its own).

IMO, that is significant (1 in every 3 to 5 listeners listen to talkback) makes it very much mainstream.

 

[The Atheist]

Oh my god.

You're defending talkback radio as though it was something other than a bad joke?

Jaysus. I was going to make a joke about change.org petitions, but they're a marvel of common sense compared to talkback radio.

Give me one example of anything talk radio has achieved anywhere in the world in the history of radio.

Just one.

Kerry Woodham (or whatever her name is now), John Tamihere, Leighton Smith, Danny Watson... yep, some of NZ's real intellectual giants are in talk radio.

 

[Samson]

Oh my god.

You're defending talkback radio as though it was something other than a bad joke?

Jaysus. I was going to make a joke about change.org petitions, but they're a marvel of common sense compared to talkback radio.

Give me one example of anything talk radio has achieved anywhere in the world in the history of radio.

Just one.

Kerry Woodham (or whatever her name is now), John Tamihere, Leighton Smith, Danny Watson... yep, some of NZ's real intellectual giants are in talk radio.

John Tamihere is OK. Now describe the logic path that the police used to prove his brother David killed Urban Hoglin and Heidi Pakonnen.

 

[smartcooky]

Oh my god.

You're defending talkback radio as though it was something other than a bad joke?

Jaysus. I was going to make a joke about change.org petitions, but they're a marvel of common sense compared to talkback radio.

Give me one example of anything talk radio has achieved anywhere in the world in the history of radio.

Just one.

Kerry Woodham (or whatever her name is now), John Tamihere, Leighton Smith, Danny Watson... yep, some of NZ's real intellectual giants are in talk radio.

Why does any type of radio have to "achieve" something. What has the "Concert" programme "achieved"? The"National" programme, the "Edge", "Classic Hits", "Harvest Radio"

There is no requirement for radio to change the world. Its job is to entertain, and inform; nothing more, nothing less.

 

[The Atheist]

John Tamihere is OK.

Yeah, I forgot - he's a good guy.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11231114

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11234710

https://tewhareporahou.wordpress.com/2013/11/05/open-letter-to-john-and-willie/

Jeez, I'd hate to see who else you think is OK.

Now describe the logic path that the police used to prove his brother David killed Urban Hoglin and Heidi Pakonnen.

No interest whatsoever.

Even if he didn't kill them, the cops aren't going to find the real murderer, and in David Tamihere's case, he is a piece of human excrement with a long list of serious violent crime in his CV, so it's not like a Lundy or Watson.

He got caught with their gear, so again, it's not like the cops didn't have good reason to suspect him.

 

[The Atheist]

Why does any type of radio have to "achieve" something. What has the "Concert" programme "achieved"? The"National" programme, the "Edge", "Classic Hits", "Harvest Radio"

There is no requirement for radio to change the world. Its job is to entertain, and inform; nothing more, nothing less.

Thanks for the confirmation - that is exactly what I was saying.

On a side note, I'd argue that the National and Concert programs achieve something - they ensure money is directed to less-commercial music.

My point was that talkback radio is useles, and you agree, so the subject seems closed.

 

[Samson]

Yeah, I forgot - he's a good guy.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11231114

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11234710

https://tewhareporahou.wordpress.com/2013/11/05/open-letter-to-john-and-willie/

Jeez, I'd hate to see who else you think is OK.



No interest whatsoever.

Even if he didn't kill them, the cops aren't going to find the real murderer, and in David Tamihere's case, he is a piece of human excrement with a long list of serious violent crime in his CV, so it's not like a Lundy or Watson.

He got caught with their gear, so again, it's not like the cops didn't have good reason to suspect him.

You should engage your brain before attacking the keyboard. The murders of Harvey and Jeanette Crewe, Urban Hoglin and Heidi Paakonen, Ben Smart and Olivia Hope, Christine and Amber Lundy, and Scott Guy are all unsolved. The police have stopped investigating them. How safe does that make the public?

 

[The Atheist]

You should engage your brain before attacking the keyboard.

Irony levels reaching 100% there, matey.

The murders of Harvey and Jeanette Crewe, Urban Hoglin and Heidi Paakonen, Ben Smart and Olivia Hope, Christine and Amber Lundy, and Scott Guy are all unsolved. The police have stopped investigating them. How safe does that make the public?

Who the hell mentioned public safety?

Jeez, you are certainly one for pulling straw people from your hat.

I have no concerns about those murderers, and I have even more certainty that the cops aren't going to find them, but it has nothing whatsoever to do with the subject you were responding to, which is that John Tamihere is a twat at best, and a criminal at worst.

Nice of you to concede those points by completely ignoring them.

 

[Samson]

Irony levels reaching 100% there, matey.



Who the hell mentioned public safety?

Jeez, you are certainly one for pulling straw people from your hat.

I have no concerns about those murderers, and I have even more certainty that the cops aren't going to find them, but it has nothing whatsoever to do with the subject you were responding to, which is that John Tamihere is a twat at best, and a criminal at worst.

Nice of you to concede those points by completely ignoring them.

We should use the Tamihere thread to discuss the two brothers' crime wave.

Three unsolved murders within 10 miles and 10 years the crooked or dopey cops stopped investigating, and the locals swallowed both hoaxes hook line and sinker....
Auckland good Palmy bad.