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Same missile?

fezzic said:
Hmmmm, really??. :confused:

Does this mean that you are giving up on the contention (you made) that a missile hit the 14th floor?

Does that mean that you amend your contention about the supposedly secret installation, which you previously suggested was the reason for blowing 7 WTC must now be in the lobby area instead of higher up, like on or around the 14th floor, where you previously contended the supposed missile hit?

Does that also mean that you're conceding that your presentation of images and interpretation of the imagery claiming fires (what everyone else seems to think are probably reflections or internal lights) on upper floors to be a result of a missile hit is incorrect?

Does that mean that you're conceding that the alleged "damage" to 1 WTC (I believe you claimed it was on the eastern face, if I have that wrong, sorry) cannot possibly be the result of missile debris given the impossible angle and curve the alleged debris would have to follow to hit the eastern face of 1 WTC, not to mention how high up the debris would have to fly?

Et cetera.

:boggled:
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Bodies in the lobby of WTC 7 were a makeshift triage center. People in the street were killed when the missile hit WTC 7 on the 14th floor.

Take a look at National Geographic documentary Inside 9/11 and you will see a scene where emergency personnel are placing someone in an ambulance. Slow motion the film up the east side of WTC 1 and around the 34th floor you will see how shrapnel from the missile that hit across the street stated a fire on that floor.

I stand by the photos showing fires on floors 11 and 12 of the WTC 7 before the collapse of the Twin Towers. Also, I still believe WTC 7 was a controlled demolition.
 
MaGZ said:
Bodies in the lobby of WTC 7 were a makeshift triage center. People in the street were killed when the missile hit WTC 7 on the 14th floor.
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So the paramedics were moving severly injured people into a building that was both damaged and on fire? If building 7 was struck by a missle and burning, they would not set up triage in it. You are grasping at straws, trying to make them fit your impossible theory.
 
ihaunter said:
So the paramedics were moving severly injured people into a building that was both damaged and on fire? If building 7 was struck by a missle and burning, they would not set up triage in it. You are grasping at straws, trying to make them fit your impossible theory.
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The entire building was not on fire. From the photos, it appears only floors 11 and 12 of WTC 7 had fires burning at the time of WTC 2 collapse.
 
Cl1mh4224rd said:
Good God... Please try thinking before typing. You obviously don't know what you're trying to say...
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People were killed and injured in the street due to a missile strike on the 14th floor. The bodies were moved into the lobby.

I hope this is clear.
 
People in the street were killed when the debris from the other buildings hit WTC 7 on the 14th floor.
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There, I fixed it for you.

Please provide a link to information stating EMS responders set up any triage in WTC7.
 
MaGZ said:
The entire building was not on fire. From the photos, it appears only floors 11 and 12 of WTC 7 had fires burning at the time of WTC 2 collapse.
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Which side ? North or South ?

The South side was a lot more damaged and had a ten storey gouge in it where a huge chunk from WTC 1 had collided with it.
 
MaGZ said:
The entire building was not on fire. From the photos, it appears only floors 11 and 12 of WTC 7 had fires burning at the time of WTC 2 collapse.
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Even so, that would not be the building they would set up triage in.
 
So MaGZ, are you now able to tell me the extent of your firefighting training and experience that leads you to believe a reflection of sunlight is actually a fire resulting from a missile strike?
 
ihaunter said:
Even so, that would not be the building they would set up triage in.
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It looks like WTC 7 was used as a triage site.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2007/090207broughtdown.htm
SINGH: "After midday on 9/11 we had to evacuate that because they told us Building 7 was coming down. If you had been there, not being able to see very much just flames everywhere and smoke - it is entirely possible - I do believe that they brought Building 7 down because I heard that they were going to bring it down because it was unstable because of the collateral damage. That I don't know I can't attest to the validity of that all I can attest to is that by noon or one o'clock they told us we need to move from that triage site up to Pace University a little further away because Building 7 was going to come down or be brought down."
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MaGZ said:
It looks like WTC 7 was used as a triage site.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2007/090207broughtdown.htm
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That would suggest, then, that WTC 7 wasn't on fire. A building damaged by a missle and on fire would be very low on the list of places to set up a triage location. If triage was set up in WTC 7, then it is very unlikely that it was hit by a missle or on fire.

ETA: As for the reason it needed to be moved because of the threat of collapse, the most likely explanation is that the triage location was set up before WTC 7 took any damage.
 
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OEM fomer director (Richard J. Sheirer) testified (May 2004) that a triage site was moved from the lobby of the North Tower to the lobby of 7 WTC.

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An example of OEM’s role on 9/11 was when EMS began setting up a triage area for the injured in the lobby of the North Tower. Working with EMS, we determined that we should move the triage area from the North Tower lobby into the lobby of 7 World Trade. It was important to keep the tower lobby clear for the fire and rescue operation and the civilian evacuation, and to locate the triage where it would be most accessible.
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I googled and found that a Doctor Guttenberg seemed to indicate that the (or a) triage site was located on the 7 WTC loading dock.

At triage area on loading dock of WTC7 when tower 2 fell. We walked our way through the loading dock by feel. We got to the opposite side. We found our way out of one of the back doors of No. 7 and came outside, I ultimately ended up back on West Street, so I'm going to think -- and it was some packing lots and stuff like that. So I actually – I think I came out by Barclay, and proceeded back down -- ultimately proceeded back down to West.
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So far there are no statements about missile casualties. The existence of the triage site is reasonably confirmed, however that does not substantiate any claim that there were missile casualties since one was not dependent on the other.

Still no evidence of a missile hit on 7 WTC.
 
Even if WTC7 was hit by an air-to-air missle from a fighter (and no, of course I don't believe it), just how much damage do you think it would have caused?

An AMRAAM, Sidewinder or Sparrow will do wonders on another plane, but that's not a building. It would do very little to a building, leave alone bring it down.

It's just a silly idea to begin with.
 
Skeptic Guy said:
Even if WTC7 was hit by an air-to-air missle from a fighter (and no, of course I don't believe it), just how much damage do you think it would have caused?

An AMRAAM, Sidewinder or Sparrow will do wonders on another plane, but that's not a building. It would do very little to a building, leave alone bring it down.

It's just a silly idea to begin with.
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He only thinks the missile started the fire, not that it brought down the building at impact. So I guess he admits that fire did bring it down, since the missile would do relatively little structural damage.
 
Still, it would be hard to believe that it would cause that big of a fire. They generate a lot of shrapnel, but not much fire. It would mean that the building's fire suppression system and the fire department just didn't do their jobs....oh, wait...that's part of the conspiracy isn't it?
 
How did they know the missile wouldn't get hit by the space beams and dustify? We have to ask ourselves these questions.
 
Magz, you ought to play debunker some time and argue against yourself. If you do, post it here. I think it would be interesting, and you may have a revelation doing it.
By the way, after nearly 60 years of orbiting earth, this experimental missile finally returned to earth in the New York area on 9/11;

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