Rush Limbaugh Sacked

[Nie Trink Wasser]

You say that as if nobody reported the story. There was actually alot of controversy over that, as well.

for the record I did not phrase it as if it wasnt reported. It just wasn't exaggerated like this one is.

The coach was saying that black players perform better in the heat, in his observation. Rush's comments were different in that he was accusing the media of giving preferential treatment to a quarterback because the quarterback was black.

so if there is no issue of someone being a racist, what is the issue ?

is it illegal to have an opinion ?

of course it is if you're a conservative figurehead in the crosshairs of a desperate liberal election campaign.

 

[Tricky]

you're missing the point.

there is a difference between debating the issue and stopping the conversation in order to call someone a racist. Especially when it's fairly absurd to do so.

That didn't happen either. Nothing happened. The comment was just left to float there like a t*rd in a punchbowl.

And since when is it absurd to call Limbaugh a racist? Remember the quotes earlier in the thread, like:

In a similar vein, here is Limbaugh's mocking take on the NAACP, a group with a ninety-year commitment to nonviolence: "The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies."

 

[Upchurch]

For the record, Rush made the comment on a program with two black broacasters and they did debate it.

thanks for pointing that out.

a lot of people are ignoring this point and it's a good example of how free speech in the media is selective.

Originally posted by Nie Trink Wasser

Originally posted by Trick

Actually, they didn't debate it and that was one thing that ticked off McNabb so much.

you're missing the point.

there is a difference between debating the issue and stopping the conversation in order to call someone a racist. Especially when it's fairly absurd to do so.

 

[Nie Trink Wasser]

the iq in the room just dropped.





Someone post a transcript from the entire segment !

 

[corplinx]

That didn't happen either. Nothing happened. The comment was just left to float there like a t*rd in a punchbowl.

And since when is it absurd to call Limbaugh a racist? Remember the quotes earlier in the thread, like:

Yes, I overspoke when I said they debated it. It is ESPN after all, not CrossFire.

The point is, they had a chance to respond but merely dismissed out of out instead going into the details.

The fine details are, he is a decent quarterback but nothing special if you look at the numbers.

The only thing left to argue is "why does he get so much coverage then versus any other quarterback with the same record?"

My guess is ESPN's format doesn't cover long and embarrassing self-examination of media coverage.

Seriously, Rush shot himself in the foot here. He has noone to blame to himself. Its one thing to say "this player is overhyped" its another one to criticize the machine you are now apart of.

 

[Tony]

And since when is it absurd to call Limbaugh a racist? Remember the quotes earlier in the thread, like:

Calling Limbaugh a "racist" and "radical" is just a strawman.

 

[Tricky]

Calling Limbaugh a "racist" and "radical" is just a strawman.

No, a strawman would be if we attributed things to him that he didn't' say. This whole topic is base on his exact words.

 

[Upchurch]

Calling Limbaugh a "racist" and "radical" is just a strawman.

Only if it isn't true.

 

[Evolver]

wrong.

you just lost more points on your iq test.

the liberals in the media are spinning a comment about them into a racial issue, because their logic is racially dependent and they need to smear rush for the 2004 campaign against Bush and anything republican.

And you gained points on your sheep test.
I was wondering how long it would be 'til I pissed you off.
WAHHHHHHH Liberal media. Liberal media. WAAAAAAAAAAHHHH

You don't get it. You never will.

 

[Tony]

No, a strawman would be if we attributed things to him that he didn't' say. This whole topic is base on his exact words.

but his words were not racism.

 

[Nie Trink Wasser]

I spideysense that the thread is suddenly being mucked up for spinsake.


until it comes back around to a sensible conversation, I'll just watch.

 

[Tony]

Only if it isn't true.

Its not true. Can you quote Limbaugh, in context, saying he dislikes or hates black people or any race?

 

[Tricky]

but his words were not racism.

Here are his words: (emphasis mine)

I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well,'' Limbaugh said. "There is a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn't deserve.

There are no two ways around it. He said that a quarterback got underserved credit because he was black.

How bad would a statement have to be before you would consider it racist?

 

[Tony]

There are no two ways around it. He said that a quarterback got underserved credit because he was black.

Gimme a break, you're not this dumb. A cynical opinion is not racism.

How bad would a statement be before you would consider it racist?

How about, "I hate those ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊!!!"

 

[Upchurch]

Its not true. Can you quote Limbaugh, in context, saying he dislikes or hates black people or any race?

How about complete disregard?

One article three years ago.

In 1994, Limbaugh mocked St. Louis for building a rail line to East St. Louis "where nobody goes." East St. Louis is home to roughly 40,000 residents -- 98 percent of whom are African-Americans. One of its 40,000 "nobodies" is star NFL linebacker Bryan Cox.

As a young broadcaster in the 1970s, Limbaugh once told a black caller: "Take that bone out of your nose and call me back."

Once, in response to a caller arguing that black people need to be heard, Limbaugh responded: "They are 12 percent of the population. Who the hell cares?"

When Carol Moseley-Braun (D-Ill.) was in the U.S. Senate--the first black woman ever elected to that body--Limbaugh would play the "Movin' On Up" theme song from TV's "Jeffersons" when he mentioned her. Limbaugh sometimes still uses mock dialect--substituting "ax" for "ask"--when discussing black leaders.

 

[c0rbin]

First:

the iq in the room just dropped.

Second:

Tony,
How is it a straw man to claim that someone is a racist who has shown a penchant for racism over the span of his career.

If you want to debate wether or not what RL said was racist of not, state your case.

Personally, I think that Rik makes the good point.

What are yours?

 

[Tony]

How about complete disregard?

Complete disregard, mabey some disrespect. So what!! Its nothing you cant see at a Chris Rock show.

You guys are just hounding Rush because he is a propagandist you dont like, typical really. Most of the bs on this forum (or any forum) is partisan driven.

 

[rikzilla]

Well,

I don't really think Limbaugh's comments were racist...nor do I suspect the things he said in the past rise to the level of racism. But the guy does hold an obvious bias against black people. He may not hate them irrationally (racism)...but I do believe his record points to a dislike...a bias...a prejudice.

He didn't have to bring race into the question of McNabb's over-ratedness. Somehow it has escaped Limbaugh that McNabb, if overrated, could have been overrated for purely non-racial reasons. His bias wouldn't let him consider it tho. Again, good riddance!

-z

 

[Tony]

Tony,
How is it a straw man to claim that someone is a racist who has shown a penchant for racism over the span of his career.

I dont think he has shown a penchant for racism, no more than guys like Chris Rock, or anyone else who shows irreverance to PCism.

Where has Limbaugh said he hates or dislikes blacks?

Personally, I think that Rik makes the good point.

Rick does make a good point. It was stupid for Limbaugh to bring politics into a football discussion.

 

[Nie Trink Wasser]

I dont think he has shown a penchant for racism, no more than guys like Chris Rock, or anyone else who shows irreverance to PCism.

exactly