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Rush Limbaugh Sacked

Tony said:

You guys are just hounding Rush because he is a propagandist you dont like, typical really.
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Wait a minute. If someone is spreading propaganda that I am fundamentally opposed to, you're saying it is wrong for me to speak out against that person and their propaganda? You're doing the exact same thing.

You asked me to provide remarks that show Rush as racist, which I did, thus disproving your "strawman" comment. Don't attack me because I gave you what you asked for.
 
In the hands of a more sophisticated talk show host this topic might actually be debated in a civil and rational manner.
Personally, I don't have a problem with such topics being explored.
I'm not sure of RL's exact wording, but I think if he had any common sense he should have said "Do you think it's possible that Donavan McNabb is overrated because he's black?" and then opened a discussion with that premise in mind.
Of course, because he's Rush Limbaugh he had to say "I think McNabb is overrated because he's black" (or the gist of that).

Is it wrong that he has to resign because of those comments? Perhaps. I'm not going to say that I totally support his resignation because I think it contributes to an environment where risque topics are avoided because of such possible repercussions.
But if it wasn't RL, the topic might have been tackled with a bit more class. As it is, the fat boob is dead in the water.
 
Upchurch said:
Wait a minute. If someone is spreading propaganda that I am fundamentally opposed to, you're saying it is wrong for me to speak out against that person and their propaganda? You're doing the exact same thing.
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I never said it was wrong, I was stating fact. If Rush was a left wing propagandist like Al Franken, then you would defending him.

You asked me to provide remarks that show Rush as racist, which I did, thus disproving your "strawman" comment..

You have yet to prove he is racist. You're just letting your bias cloud your thinking. So much for skepticism.
 
KelvinG said:
In the hands of a more sophisticated talk show host this topic might actually be debated in a civil and rational manner.
Personally, I don't have a problem with such topics being explored.
I'm not sure of RL's exact wording, but I think if he had any common sense he should have said "Do you think it's possible that Donavan McNabb is overrated because he's black?" and then opened a discussion with that premise in mind.
Of course, because he's Rush Limbaugh he had to say "I think McNabb is overrated because he's black" (or the gist of that).

Is it wrong that he has to resign because of those comments? Perhaps. I'm not going to say that I totally support his resignation because I think it contributes to an environment where risque topics are avoided because of such possible repercussions.
But if it wasn't RL, the topic might have been tackled with a bit more class. As it is, the fat boob is dead in the water.
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Thank you Kevin, we needed that injection of logic.
 
Upchurch said:
ahem
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That's all you've got Upchuck? Its sad someone actually took the time to compile that. Sadder still that you propose it as evidence of anything other than the guy who put it together lacking a real life.
 
Oh this is just f*cking great.

Corplinx accusing me of ad hominems and "degrading the conversation." Tony accusing others of "strawmen" (there's that word again). And NTW out-doing both of them by railing against the 2004 Democratic Party Machine.

Corp-- it's not an "ad hominem." An ad hominem is a personal attack in place of argument. To be more precise, it's argument by attacking the person. No, what I posted was a conclusion. Re-read the two criteria originally posted to establish Limbaugh's claims. Besides that, El Rushbo has a history with these sort of comments. Those inflammatory remarks have been posted and reposted.
 
Limbaugh

Limbaugh "quitting" is fine with me. If he didn't deserve it for this, then he deserved if for some of the other outlandish stuff that he says. Free speech or not, this guy crosses the line too much.
 
Tony said:

You must be seeing things, in none of those quotes does Rush say he dislikes or hates blacks.
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I'm sorry, I didn't realize that Rush made insulting and disparaging comments about people he likes. My bad.
 
poll figures accurate at time of this post:

according to foxnews.com's latest online poll

13% say he should have resigned

according to cnn.com's latest online poll

44% say he should have resigned

i thought the variation was interesting (though hardly surprising)
 
Upchurch said:

"Take that bone out of your nose..."
"They are 12 percent of the population. Who the hell cares?"
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More strawman.

I guess making jokes about the sacred minority is racism, but making jokes about whites isnt. The usual double standard.
 
Upchurch said:
I'm sorry, I didn't realize that Rush made insulting and disparaging comments about people he likes. My bad.
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Everyone makes mistakes, I can forgive you this time.
 
Upchurch said:
:rub:
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Really, I make disparaging and insulting comments to people I like all the time, and Im not a shock jock, too bad.
 
Tony said:


Really, I make disparaging and insulting comments to people I like all the time, and Im not a shock jock, too bad.
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Tony,

Do you honestly not see the difference between joking around with your friends and insulting whole groups of people, like the East St. Louis "nobodies", or trying to discredit specific people because of the color of their skin, like comparing Moseley-Braun to "The Jeffersons"?
 
I think Rush tends to complicate issues which are not complex. I also am a football fan. Do I think McNab is overrated? It's possible to hold this opinion without being racist.

So, IMHO, calling McNab overrated after 4 games is pretty weak logic. Stupid even for a sports analyst...but even for a mere fan it's lame. Then, taking his first assertion as gospel...he goes on to blame it on the "liberal media conspiracy" and bases the whole thing on race. Now that's just plain old woo-wooism.

If he'd have just claimed McNab was overrated he would have had an arguable point. The rest of it just showed a penchant for knee-jerk political and racial bias.

It's even more than that. Most sport slumps and streaks, statistics show, are merely due to random clumping. It is EXCPECTED that McNair would have a four-game slump SOMETIME in his career. Sports commentary is, in a large part, finding fictional reasons to "explain" streaks and slumps that require no more explanation than "it's random", much like one could try to "explain" why a die landed "6" three times in a row once in a while. Ever noticed that none of these sports "experts", so good in "explaining" what HAPPENED last week, do better than random chance when they predict what WILL HAPPEN next week?

So what fictional reason do you get? That is a social thing, which depends on what kind of person the commentator is. From the "well-informed" sports commentators, you get an "explanation" in the form of a long list of nonsense on the "team's spirit" or their "special relation with the coach". From the bleechers' bum, you get the "explanation" that is so-and-so's fault, the one player (or coach) who is the cause of all the team's woes. And from Rush Limbaugh, you get the "explanation" that it is the "liberal media" fault for "protecting" the unqualified darkie who shouldn't be playing instead of a white man in the first place.

What a surprise, eh? Good riddance to Rush, too.
 
Upchurch said:

Do you honestly not see the difference between joking around with your friends and insulting whole groups of people
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Not really, irreverence is irreverence. Rush was/is a shock jock, such things are to be expected.

or trying to discredit specific people because of the color of their skin, like comparing Moseley-Braun to "The Jeffersons"?

So I guess when he makes fun of Tom Dachele(sp?) it is because of race too?
 
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