Rob Menard's FOTL Claims II

[D'rok]

This episode with Clifford is also another example of the FOTL herd mentality. What's important is that the freeman is seen standing up to the authorities, dutifully and bravely reciting all of the FOTL spellbook despite the consequences. This is seen as a moral victory and, despite the concrete failure of the pseudo-legal incantations to have any positive effect at all on the actual outcome (making it worse, in fact), it encourages acolytes and elevates Clifford in the eyes of the FOTLer community.

 

[jargon buster]

"For the record no one is wearing their hats; they refuse to wear their hats."

Lol..he even believes that old chestnut.
"A Copper cant arrest you unless he has his helmet on"

Again Canadian cops are the most patient on the planet.

 

[jargon buster]

Still, Clifford deserves more respect (or less disrespect) than Menard for actually having the courage of his convictions. Menard just cons patsies into "travelling" without license/reg/insurance, usually after squeezing some dope money out of them first.

This is seen as a moral victory and, despite the concrete failure of the pseudo-legal incantations to have any effect at all on the actual outcome, it encourages acolytes and elevates Clifford in the eyes of the FOTLer community.

Come on Robert, it's your turn to get behind the wheel, it may be your last chance to regain some respect in the FMOTL community.
After all, you have nothing left to lose at the moment.

 

[ComfySlippers]

Like a ten year old liar confronted with the truth Menard never answers, never states the facts. He simply asks questions...

Exactly. And they are not even good questions.
Never have been. Never will be.
The one thing that the master of communication can never do... is communicate.

In typical FOTL-Waffle style he asks, in Elizabethan English of course, (Don't get excited there Rob. I am referring to the first Queen Elizabeth), questions which he seems to think will make people other than his uneducated followers have some kind of epiphany.

Menard's continual desperate attempts to create the next get-rich / pay-for-a-joint schemes are now nothing more than hilarious.

I tip my hat to the original title of this thread.

The latest internet-bowel-movement is simply a crappy website with his silly old YouTube Babblings.

I know you have a short / drug-addled memory Rob but:
When will robertmenard.org become more of your internet waste that you set up on a drunken whim then forgot about?

Rob, get a job. I'm sure you could earn enough to pay for your breakfasts, beer and pot.
Stop pretending that you can't get a job because you "have rescinded your SIN".
Anyone with an ounce of intelligence can see how stupid that particular lie of yours is.

You are foot-bullet-man.
Your 100 friends on Facebook will not be donating money to you.
They will massage your ego, but you don't have a new Lance there.

(BTW, Clifford gets way more donations than you ever have.
Do you never sit down and contemplate the fact that you are *very* bad at being a conman?)

Let the hilarity continue.

I have no problem laughing at a wannabe conman who is unable to a/ Con people, and b/ Remember his own lies.

Give my best wishes to Lance, Rob.
Oh... ignore that. You threw him under a bus

 

[Bishop]

This episode with Clifford is also another example of the FOTL herd mentality. What's important is that the freeman is seen standing up to the authorities, dutifully and bravely reciting all of the FOTL spellbook despite the consequences. This is seen as a moral victory and, despite the concrete failure of the pseudo-legal incantations to have any positive effect at all on the actual outcome (making it worse, in fact), it encourages acolytes and elevates Clifford in the eyes of the FOTLer community.

And the worst part is that within a few days, they'll have forgotten this entire incident.

 

[arayder]

I'm not so sure; see this incident from just a week before, where he got (yet another) truck towed away. The cops explicitly say they've never encountered or heard about any of his Freeman moonspeak before, and they even humor him for twenty minutes before getting him out of the truck. Once again, Canadian cops are shown to be excessively patient.

I typically don't listen to these things but it was totally worth it for "For the record no one is wearing their hats; they refuse to wear their hats." [At 26min]

You may be right. I can see why a cop would say he had never heard anything like this guy before. One might think this guy has Aspergers syndrome or something. But, Clifford’s problem is that he has to cover all the bullet points in his lectures for fear one of his nitpicking minions will out carp him and gain the title of "best freeman legal mind".

So he asks why the there aren’t periods between the RCMP initials, why cop’s forms are filled out the way they are, why they used his name, why the cops aren’t wearing hats, why they won’t respond to his quizzes over his interpretation of Canadian law. At one point he admits to calling 911, then demands to know why emergency responders didn‘t hop to when he called.

Why, why, why. . .

Despite Clifford’s restraint there is a clear underlying frustration in his voice. A frustration which likely make made him snap when he got busted in Gimli.

 

[D'rok]

The latest internet-bowel-movement is simply a crappy website with his silly old YouTube Babblings.

Having all of those in one place is actually kind of useful. I know that Menard has been confronted with this case on many occasions and has always dodged questions about his involvement:

http://canlii.ca/t/1ww8s

(It's a case from Nova Scotia where the defendants try to run a Menardian FOTL defence using a NOUICOR. Their defence is struck unceremoniously for the gibberish that it is.)

It turns out that, just as we suspected, he was directly involved and in fact advised the defendants and prepared their defence. He says this explicitly at around 7:55 in this video:

http://youtu.be/9YGsGhrbn7c

Once again, Menard's victims pay the price (including whatever monies they paid him for his time and effort), while Menard continues to flog a posturing video about the whole affair in an attempt to attract more clients.

 

[D'rok]

On a similar note, there is another recent Nova Scotia case involving a NOUICOR defence. This one:

http://canlii.ca/t/frktx

(It is an application for bail pending an appeal from a criminal conviction of uttering threats to kill a police officer and various firearms offences. When arrested for the threats, the FOTLer was found with a loaded .44 calibre handgun).

The trial judge described the NOUICOR like this:

"In evidence is a lengthy, notarized statement sworn by Mr. McCormick. According to the doctrines of Freeman-on-the-Land, publication of such a document magically frees one from the Criminal Code, including the gun laws. In this document, Mr. McCormick asserts his right to bear arms. On the day before the seizure, when he made the threat to shoot police officers who might come into his driveway, Mr. McCormick described at length his beliefs in his right to carry a loaded handgun. He even said that he could have a gun when he went grocery shopping, and he explained his skill at quickly drawing a holstered revolver. At trial Mr. McCormick asserted not only his right to bear arms, contrary to the Criminal Code, but also his self-serving misinterpretation of various provisions in the Code to the effect that his particular handgun, in his particular circumstances, does not violate the gun laws."

Shades of Menard's past threats to shoot RCMP officers. I wonder what Menard's involvement was in this case? Even if he wasn't personally involved, his teachings were.

Needless to say, the peaceful, non-violent freeman was denied bail, as the judge says:

"In my opinion, public respect for the administration of justice would be seriously eroded to order Mr. McCormick’s released after having been convicted of uttering death threats against police officers, and within 24 hours to be found with a loaded, very powerful restricted handgun strapped to his hip, and who still proclaims his Freeman-on-the-land beliefs that the laws of Canada simply do not apply to govern his conduct. The third criteria has not been satisfied [detention not necessarily in public interest]. Despite Mr. MacDonald’s able efforts and submissions, the application is dismissed."

 

[tsig]

I was thinking. Maybe New Westminster should hold a road check somewhere around the Heritage Grill for a few hours. They might have some interesting successes in eliminating unlicensed and/or uninsured drivers.

Especially after a certain event, when their minds have been built up into certain beliefs.

ETA: Classroom lessons are good, but the real world experience is the most important part.

True, I'm surprised (not) that Menard doesn't offer field trips to demonstrate the power of FOTL in action.

I believe I'd pay for that.

 

[tsig]

Like a ten year old liar confronted with the truth Menard never answers, never states the facts. He simply asks questions. This is the same ruse freemen, like Clifford, use at traffic stops. For the first few stops I am sure the cops where surprised that anybody could ask so many questions and talk such gibberish.

But they are wise to the freemen game now, as are we.

Menard thinks asking questions presumes a sort of authority and that answering them is a sign of submission. That’s why he won’t give a straight answer to any question, whether asked by JB at the very beginning of this thread, by a cop, or even a clarifying question asked by a minion.

The real reason he won’t answer is because every tough question is a replay of his daddy grilling him about some childhood misdeed.

That's why he won't tell anybody where the freeman money went!

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Dope Clock update: It is day 77 since Fez Boy filed his magic freeman court papers and I haven’t heard anything from the courts, or my internet and email providers.

I'm sure it went up in smoke.

 

[Tolls]

And the worst part is that within a few days, they'll have forgotten this entire incident.

I've heard that can happen with excessive use of certain substances.

 

[arayder]

Freemen, like Menard and Clifford demand their warped brand of freedom at the price of justice and everybody else‘s liberty. In essence they are demanding the liberty to act unjustly.

They talk of being equal to judges and but the fact is they want the disproportionate power to, on their own, reinterpret the law to mean what they want it to mean.

These two talk of peaceful lawful means, but when judges, citing centuries of western law, don’t grant their demands they embark on campaigns of paper terrorism.

When the police ticket them for violating constitutional and lawful motor vehicle statutes they claim the right to short circuit justice by filing civil actions against the ticketing officers. . . . and even say they have the right to violently resist.

Freemen like these two aren’t really demanding equality, they are the less able insisting they be law givers.

They don’t comprehend the law or history.

They can’t control themselves. One is very often drunk or stoned during his own YouTube filmings and the other is a control freak who is charged with assaulting a cop.

Worst of all these two think that equality means dealing with others unjustly. It’s one thing to tell gullible freemen what they think the law is but it’s a deception to tell freemen, for a fee, that their legal advice is effective and workable.

The latter is a demonstrable lie and Menard and Clifford should know it! The rest of us do.

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Dope Clock update: It is day 78 since Fez Boy filed his magic freeman court papers and I haven’t heard anything from the courts, or my internet and email providers.

 

[jargon buster]

The latter is a demonstrable lie and Menard and Clifford should know it!

They both know it, however Clifford has the bottle to put his neck on the line for donations and Menard is a coward who uses others and blames them when it doesnt work out.

 

[The Palmernator]

Rob Menard is on GetOutOfDebtFree!!!!

http://www.getoutofdebtfree.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=45259

Robert Arthur: Menard
A Canadian Filmmaker, Comedian, Freeman-on-the-Land and Interim Director of the World Freeman Society. Renowned for his delivery of pro-freedom information in a light hearted and sometimes satirical fashion. Began analyzing Canadian statutes after the kidnap of his daughter, Elizabeth Ann Elaine by the powers that be and began delivering pro-freedom performances to welcoming audiences in a light hearted and often satirical fashion which earned him a reputation as one of the foremost Freemen worldwide.

(live 7pm - 9pm GMT London England)
7PM – 9PM GMT
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Links for radio:
http://www.bobsbackyard.co.uk/darkcity/live.html
OR
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If you wish to come and chat with us when the show is on even drop some questions whilst we are live on air then please do so here, when the show is running...

http://site.anonnet.org/webirc/bobsbackyard

I don't recall him being on GOODF before. Is this a new low, even for him...?

 

[Boot2TheHead]

his daughter, Elizabeth Ann Elaine

Huh.

His exact relationship with that child had always been nebulous; he always kept using his usual weasel doubletalk when talking about it. It was never clear to me which one it was, between impregnating an underage girl or claiming rights to someone else's baby. Couldn't tell which was less creepy, anyway.

What a role model.

 

[jargon buster]

I don't recall him being on GOODF before. Is this a new low, even for him...?

Its the only place that will have him.

His exact relationship with that child had always been nebulous; he always kept using his usual weasel doubletalk when talking about it. It was never clear to me which one it was, between impregnating an underage girl or claiming rights to someone else's baby. Couldn't tell which was less creepy, anyway.

My votes on impregnating the underage girl, he did actually claim he knew she was pregnant before she did????
See my sig

 

[arayder]

My votes on impregnating the underage girl. . .

What does common law say about rape?

Statutory rape occurs when the victim is under the legal age of consent even if the intercourse is consensual.

 

[LordEd]

That's a hard read to translate.

He went to a bar for reasons unclear and wound up in a relationship with a 17 year old. She was addicted to various things and he attempted to get her cleaned up.

Social services acted within 2 days of the birth.

The timing could mean that she was not pre-pregnant as they became a "couple" in a few days, but the conversation doesn't really flow. Not sure how you start a conversation and say "I don't know you but you're pregnant" without getting slapped. He also claims he didn't know her age, yet claims to be a 'family'?

I don't know their methods, but 2 days seems fast for any government agency.

What happened to the mother that he was 'supporting'?

 

[jargon buster]

I think the removal of the child was more to do with the presence of Menard rather than the condition of Megan.
Once Menard was out of the picture and Megan back home with her parents the child was returned.

 

[LordEd]

They tore our family apart and made Megan care for Elizabeth all alone. They halved the level of care that Elizabeth was to receive and they doubled Megan’s work load. They endangered Elizabeth’s life through their criminal actions.

With the context of her being returned, this sentence makes sense. They didn't want to separate her from the mother, just Rob.