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You are the very mad person who claimed the USA has killed 8X more people, through genocide than Nazi Germany did, during the war.

You are now saying you don't have a clue how many people Nazi Germany killed in WWII.

That means you have been lying to us and your claim is a load of crap.


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There's a fallacy name I coined years ago in 9/11 discussions, the "unevaluated inequality fallacy". It takes the form of a claim that A is greater than B; in the weak form, one of A and B is not known to the person making the claim, but they blindly assert that it must be greater or lesser than the other, often appealing to common sense in support. The strong form, which I suspect we're seeing here, is one where neither A nor B is known.

Dave
 
How strange; all these prestigious dictionaries make the same absurd mistake by claiming that a denominator is a number (although Merriam-Webster only does so by implication; I eagerly await rlopez2's explanation of why 3 is not a number). Then again, none of them contain the word "gullible" either.

Dave

Perhaps he will declare that non-Gringos can see a whole number between Five and Six called 'Lope'.
 
> I have a degree in Mathematics.

Really?!? From where exactly? So that people would know from where not to get their degrees. I used to work with someone who "had a degree in Mathematics" (he said) and would constatly say all kinds of sonsense. One day he admitted to me he had a degree in Mathematics as an economist.

Again, denominator comes from the Latin: "denominare" (which means -to name-). All fractions are essentially algebraic. In fact the people who invented, most heavily used fractions were the Egiptians and they used it kind of like vectors. Besides "numbers" (Numerical Systems) were a late development in Mathematics and everydody had been using fractions in all possibly ways before "numbers" were even invented

https://www.sutori.com/story/the-history-of-fractions--QrhwbjJVp1twEVJAgMXmFwMx

The History of Fractions
The story of fractions dates back to one of the oldest civilizations, the Egyptians. Although fractions have been apart of our history for a long time, fractions were not considered numbers. Fractions were just used as a way to compare whole numbers with each other. It is pretty perplexing to think that these numbers were not considered actual numbers! They definitely have a purpose in our lives today. Even operations with fractions was hard to conceptualize, these operations were non-existence until later on. Let us dive in and learn about the interesting journey of fractions.

I am sure there are actual mathematicians around who know and could explain what I mean and, yes, those definitions you found are flat out wrong!
 
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Those definitions are in every Maths textbook ever printed. I was taught them in primary school. When one number or expression is divided by another, the one above is called the numerator and the one below is called the denominator. That's what the words numerator and denominator mean in arithmetic.

Example 1:

1
-
2

numerator is 1
denominator is 2

Example 2:

a+bx
------
c+dx

numerator is a+bx
denominator is c+dx

Just look it up, FFS.
 
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... the one below
(as you say) is called the
denominator
, which is that it freaking means! Eigentlich, that it is not a number, but the -name- of the quantity expressed by the numerator. Do you see now what "denominator" actually means?

No wonder, if so many people can't understand something as basic as that, they would then be OK with Assange being abused. The metabolism of their brain can be taxed by such simple ideas, so they can't "understand" anything that "complicated".

The reason why so many people say that they can't understand fractions is because they don't even know what they are talking about. They use have qualms they have to put to good use with some theme, why not taking math to dump my anxiety on it.

Say for example:

(3/5) + (1/5) = (4/5), right?

Most people make such a mistake:

(3/5) + (1/5) = (4/10), why? because they are -visually- seeing, "numbers" right?
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(3/5) + (1/5) = (4/5), means the exact same effing thing as:

3 kitten + 1 kitten = 4 kitten
3 bananas + 1 banana = 4 bananas
3 x + 1 x = 4x
3 y^2 + 1 y^2 = 4y^2

So those "fifths" are just names as kitten, bananas, x's and y^2's are

All fractions are essentially algebraic!

I just typed that very quickly because my Internet access will be cut in seconds, but I think the idea is there. Again there are actual Mathematicians here who would certainly know how to "explain" that better than I did
 
Like I said, I've known what the word denominator means since primary school. It means exactly what the definitions you have been quoted say it means.

The rest of your post seems to be a rant about the silly mistakes ignorant people make when they don't properly understand fractions. What any of that has to do with the meaning of the arithmetical term denominator I have no idea, but I'm pretty sure none of the posters contributing to this thread would make the elementary error you describe. "When the denominator of a set of fractions is the same you add them by just adding up the numerators and leaving the denominator unchanged" is, again, something I learned in primary school.
 
" The name of the song is called “Haddocks’ Eyes.”’

‘Oh, that’s the name of the song, is it?’ Alice said, trying to feel interested.

‘No, you don’t understand,’ the Knight said, looking a little vexed. ‘That’s what the name is called. The name really is “The Aged Aged Man.”’

‘Then I ought to have said “That’s what the song is called”?’ Alice corrected herself.

‘No, you oughtn’t: that’s quite another thing! The song is called “Ways and Means”: but that’s only what it’s called, you know!’

‘Well, what is the song, then?’ said Alice, who was by this time completely bewildered.

‘I was coming to that,’ the Knight said. ‘The song really is “A-sitting On A Gate”: and the tune’s my own invention.’
 
" The name of the song is called “Haddocks’ Eyes.”’

‘Oh, that’s the name of the song, is it?’ Alice said, trying to feel interested.

‘No, you don’t understand,’ the Knight said, looking a little vexed. ‘That’s what the name is called. The name really is “The Aged Aged Man.”’

‘Then I ought to have said “That’s what the song is called”?’ Alice corrected herself.

‘No, you oughtn’t: that’s quite another thing! The song is called “Ways and Means”: but that’s only what it’s called, you know!’

‘Well, what is the song, then?’ said Alice, who was by this time completely bewildered.

‘I was coming to that,’ the Knight said. ‘The song really is “A-sitting On A Gate”: and the tune’s my own invention.’
:)

When I did metamathematics as part of my Maths degree (yes, I really do have one) the lecturer actually referred to that helpful passage from Alice Through the Looking Glass.

It did occur to me that metamathematics might be what rlopez2 was trying to grope towards but if so, he's making a right pig's ear of it. Describing easily verified definitions of elementary mathematical terms as "flat out wrong" is definitely not the right way to start.
 
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When I did metamathematics as part of my Maths degree (yes, I really do have one) the lecturer actually referred to that helpful passage from Alice Through the Looking Glass.

It did occur to me that metamathematics might be what rlopez2 was trying to grope towards but if so, he's making a right pig's ear of it. Describing easily verified definitions of elementary mathematical terms as "flat out wrong" is definitely not the right way to start.

Unless you are trying to troll people, his earlier attempts to do so have failed and perhaps he saw an opportunity to just disagree for grins and giggles?
 
Now we know what time the nurses do their rounds.
Ditto. You wonder what kind of facility he is in or was his mother coming to turn off the lights?

Like I said, I've known what the word denominator means since primary school. It means exactly what the definitions you have been quoted say it means.

No it isn't. Any definition, saying that the denominator is a number, as you and other posters and apparently "dictionary definitions" stated is wrong. All fractions, even numeric ones, by their very definition are essentially algebraic. Unfortunately, "my nurses" don't let me get to my books. I could have told you exactly when was, that term "adamazied" (and BTW, I couldn't care less if they would use the verb "to evesize" of something like that) the first time that word was used and why, so saying such things as: "... the number below the fractional line ..." is total nonsense and the reason why so many people, as they say, "don't understand fractions". Yes, I am right and you are wrong even if "my mother, nurses have to come to turn the lights off in the facility where I live" ...

The rest of your post seems to be a rant about the silly mistakes ignorant people make when they don't properly understand fractions.

Actually, when people say they don't understand fractions. They obviously don't know what they are talking about. All you need to "understand" fractions is to be acquainted with a pre verbal concept: "like terms" and you wouldn't even be able to speak, think, survive if you don't. All kinds of experiments have been done with pre verbal babies and animals and they all "understand" -like terms-.

My "favorite" of such kinds of flat out mistaken beliefs you find everywhere is saying that "functions are equations". I was ranting on some other thread about some guy saying such non sense even on ted talk. He was even using such nonsense to explain the idea behind his whole video.

Now, the barely interesting part is why do people believe such and many other things. Well, they "see" a number in the denominator of numeric fractions and they "see" an equal sign as part of the definition of functions, in which, case, by the way, the equal sign should be read as "given by" ... They "see" it, you see?

The history of Math is plagued with "interesting", downright stupid stories of visual folks who were "seeing" things. Take, for example, the wrong headed and failed demonstration attempts at proving the V postulate in the compilation by Euclid: "The Elements" for two millenia. The most interesting aspect of visual folks is that they are somehow able to "see" that there is something that is not quite right with the picture, they just can't make sense of exactly what and why.

I am writing up all those clarifying notes because I believe in karma and I am silly enough to entertain the belief, as the Spanish saying goes, that: "a lie can run for hundred years, but the truth will reach it in one day". Gringos have showed to me how wrong that saying is, I just choose to be "romantic."

What any of that has to do with the meaning of the arithmetical term denominator I have no idea, but I'm pretty sure none of the posters contributing to this thread would make the elementary error you describe.

Unless you are a mind reader, I don't know how you could know that. This whole fractions this and fractions that started because apparently other posters had a hard time just establishing two ratios. They kept demanding an "explanation", were telling me the "proportion" "in the denominators" are large ... (or something like that) .... They were having problems with something which is common chore 3rd grade Math, so I don't know how could you be so sure about them not making such mistakes.

"When the denominator of a set of fractions is the same you add them by just adding up the numerators and leaving the denominator unchanged" is, again, something I learned in primary school.

to wit: you add -the fractions- by ... which is the only sensical way in which you can add any two terms, in exactly the same way you would only add apples to apples, books to books, days to days, starts to stars ..., but not quarters to 20 dollar bills, Mexican pesos or mangos.

Anyway, the folks who could not "understand" what I meant when I demonstrably stated that "freedom lovers" have 8xed the genocide of Nazis during WWII seem to have "understood" what I meant just fine, since they started to rationalize this fact in their own ways, as they said: that only means that "'we' are better at killing and not getting killed", "that the technologies used in wars nowadays are different", ... and that means also that when talk one line, paragraph or page about Nazism, you will have more than one good reason to talk 8 lines, paragraphs or pages about "freedom loving".

I also find unbelievably stupid when people talk ***** about the East German stasi (as a way to talk about how bad they were (implicitly how "good" the NSA, those 5 eyes countries, ... are))

https://www.ted.com/talks/hubertus_knabe_the_dark_secrets_of_a_surveillance_state

when thy didn't even have computers, had to launch "intelligent operations" to get used cassette recorders from the West, could only monitor like 4 telephone numbers in 10,000 people, ... they didn't have monitoring cameras everywhere; couldn't map, index and crosscorrelate society at large real time like a rat maze ... The idea that one day a government could collect -any tangile information from all their subjects- real time in a self indexing and actionable way to them would be way beyond their wildest sweat dreams. Many of those folks are still alive we should ask them what they think about that.

I wonder if they "see" that they are actually helping some of the other important (of many other) points I am making while comparing Nazis to USG: When Nazis were doing their freedom loving they fought against forces that could and did defend themselves on an equal basis. Of course, "freedom lovers" could try their smartness at killing (as Obama was even joking, boasting about) with Russia and China, but then they somehow instantly become smart in other ways, they start saying (and apparently believing themselves!) that: "they 'must' be responsible" ...
 
I like forward to you providing a supporting reference for your take on "denominator".



LewisCarroll said:
'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.'
'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.'
 
It did occur to me that metamathematics might be what rlopez2 was trying to grope towards but if so, he's making a right pig's ear of it. Describing easily verified definitions of elementary mathematical terms as "flat out wrong" is definitely not the right way to start.

Actually, this whole fraction this and that keeps getting interesting. I had never heard of "meta mathematics". What are you talking about the philosophy of Mathematics? Mathematics it itself a meta kind of thing. It would be like talking about the philosophy of philosophy! That would certainly be one of those post modernistic thing!

Again, unfortunately I my nurses, mother, ... have barred me from having access to my books, but I could tell you exactly when in the history of Mathematics fractions started being used in the way we do now and why the term written bellow the numerator was called "denominator" and not as some people say as if fractions were having sex: "3 over 5" ("the number on the top and the number on the bottom"). Visual kinds of folks are really funny!
 
The truth is not a "social", "democratic" kind of thing, but I am sure there are other Mathematicians hanging out here. I wonder what they have to say about our back and forths, I mean the people who have some educated sense about such matters.
 
Actually, this whole fraction this and that keeps getting interesting. I had never heard of "meta mathematics". What are you talking about the philosophy of Mathematics? Mathematics it itself a meta kind of thing. It would be like talking about the philosophy of philosophy! That would certainly be one of those post modernistic thing!


Metamathematics was originally considered to be a separate thing (or meta thing) from mathematics as it was a way of tackling Richard's Paradox which was one the inspirations for Godel's Completeness Theorem. So not exactly pomo.




eta: more than 40 years since I did maths as a minor at uni so some details may be fuzzy.
 
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Any definition, saying that the denominator is a number, as you and other posters and apparently "dictionary definitions" stated is wrong.
The dictionary definitions certainly do not state that, and neither have I - in fact, I gave an example where the denominator was an algebraic expression. A number is just one of the numerous things a denominator can be.
 
(as you say) is called the , which is that it freaking means! Eigentlich, that it is not a number, but the -name- of the quantity expressed by the numerator. Do you see now what "denominator" actually means?<snippage of uneducated and unintelligible gibberings>
This is just pathetic.
 
No it isn't. Any definition, saying that the denominator is a number, as you and other posters and apparently "dictionary definitions" stated is wrong.
<snippage of uneducated and unintelligible gibberings>
Again, stop ranting about matters you have no understanding of.
 

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