Can you create something more conscious than yourself?
Do you control TLOP?
Come on churchy, it's not hard!
Im just saying that you need to use logic
How old are you?
12?
it was almost midnight from memory
Would you fight a friend of yours that you saw on the street and claim that it was your free-will to do so?
You would fight him if your brain was wired in away (ie your algorithm) to think "smack up friends that you see on the street."
Is this still free will? Do you deny that youre brain goes through a series of steps based on how you interpret past experiences?
How often do you jump out of planes?
Do you wear a bra when you go out?
show-off
LOL
HAHAHA
now THATS a hoot!
HAHAHA!
Another one for the books
WOAH, slow down there Turbo, this is starting to get interesting!
Dont play Mr Innocent TP. It doesnt suit you.
Lets say that I actually did throw a tennis ball at a wall and it passed through it, if someone wound back time to the point where Im just about to through the ball, would the ball go through the wall again or not?
it kinda does actually
lol
So much for free-will?
If it was truly a system based on probability, then things will be doing stuff for absolute no reason......
There would be no such thing as logic...
For sure, but it's not unique. If you go back in time, how would you gain information? How would the system change? It would only change if you brought the information from the future back to the past, then it would be unique.
Yet it did
point being?
If you won the lotto 10 mins ago, would your actions be different than it is now?
Going back into time: losing information / regress...
along those lines
Rewind it all the way back to the big bang if you want...
nothing would change
Sorry, youre a fatalist?
It doesnt have to be "everything."
At least 1 is sufficient
Sorry, I dont follow.
What are you trying to argue exactly? Are you a believer in Fate or mr free-will?
Thats not the same thing as going back in time. In the system above, you have two different events. Regardless of which, TLOP controls the outcome.
Do you obey TLOP?
Just a second ago you said in relation to the "ball going through the wall" scenario
"If it's just a replay the same exact thing will happen of course..."
So which one is it?
Show at least one example of something doing something without reason and you can kiss logic good bye
Good question...
With more info, then maybe it will become logical
So are you saying that throwing some dice twice is the same as throwing some dice once then rewind time and play when you throw the dice?
No Im affraid not. Conditions change when you throw the dice a second time. The way you throw, how much force you release, the angle in which you throw etc all add up to give you a different outcome
Still waiting for you to show me
true, my car controls me
so does the pencil that I write with
No I dont think so...
Both examples are the same...clear as day if you will
Too bad that it's not an analogy, unless youre claim that two things happening one after the other is the same as doing it once, then going back in time and replaying it as the same thing. Eh, whatever makes you sleep easier at night...
Yeah, only the conditions arnt 100% identical
So the majority = true? Sorry, not in my books bub.
Quantum tunneling without a probabilistic model? Buggered if I know lol
Whenever you break TLOP, just let me know...
ahhh, if youre replaying it, then it has the EXACT conditions, hence the same outcome.
Then you say that if you have the exact same conditions then it will not necessarily have the same outcome.
Again, which one is it sport?
one born every minute
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WOO!
classic
just classic
na
the key word is "Fate"
If the outcome is different then it wasnt 100% identical
yes yes
ahh, youre the one saying that if time wound back to the big bang, things would be different...
great stuff here
Hence saying that events that happen one after the other is not the same as playing them twice
Im looking at the logic behind it.
You dont have to seriously if you really dont want too
haha
It's ok for TLOP to control you but is less conscious than you.
Youre on a fire...
So why are you saying that if you wound back time, the outcome WILL be the same?
It had to do with the WAY in which it was originally stated. I asked for clarification on this point, but it was never given. Are we rewinding time and then playing it forward back to the original point (a kind of instant replay)...or are we merely going back to a known set of initial conditions and letting things play out as a unique event. How things will play out will be dependent on which of these things the whole "rewind" scenario is actually referring to. If we are just playing back an event that has already happened...it will of course happen as it already has. If we are traveling back to a point with known initial conditions, and letting the universe evolve forward from that point, then the exact same outcome is not gauranteed.
“It is precisely the same thing that you are trying to pass your whole "rewind" thought experiment off as. The events are identical in every physical sense, yet they yield different outcomes.”
Well, take a stance, then we will talk. Im getting mumbo-jumbo talk from you at the moment
Of course not! You control TLOP. Im not real. Everyone is controlled by you. YOU is all that there is....
Youre asking me because......
lol
Yes
Doesnt matter. If you say that if you had the EXACT same conditions as you had in the replay, then the outcome will be the same. If you say that the outcome will be different, then the outcome in the replay has the potential to also be different.
Why is that?
Is it because the conditions are exactly the same?
Why is that?
Were the conditions exactly the same?
In other words, if you went back in time and pressed play (having the exact same coditions) you and I say that it WILL yield the same outcome.
Then you say that if you had identical conditions (im assuming that you mean 100% exect conditions) REGARDLESS of when it happened, it's possible to get a different result. ie if you had the EXACT same conditions for both events, regardless of when they were performed (have them be performed one after the other if you want) it is possible to have different outcomes.
I ask again
which one is it?
Na, youre still in jumbo-land at the moment
Then change your logic
You know, he could have been talking to those who had the mindset that science opposes religion and vice versa. Not to those who see sciencë and religion as "allies." Get it?
Think he won the prize for baking a cake...not sure on that one though....
HAHA
my my, how quickly we forget
"TLOP does not control me"
eh
I only have one personality that I am aware of...
muhahaha
Already happened?
Is this your way of saying
"It had the exact same conditions"?
Translation: It had the exact same conditions, but I dont want to admit it.
So in saying this, how can you say that the replay will be the same?
The best that you can say is that "it already happened."
LOL! You can rock up to work tomorrow wearing a dress and say "dont blame me, it already happened"
BillyJoe
It depends on the conditions of those universes
I told you....
he baked one hell of a cake
Id be crazy to believe in what youre saying...
I see that the implications of speech is beyond your scope?
Show me one that that is not conscious that controls something conscious...
HAH
I wonder why...
anyway
ILL DO NO SUCH THING
muhaha
Yeah Bro
It might be a valid excuse hey? So why did you war a dress then? Let me guess, it was just random? Just as random as you deciding to take a crapper with the seat down or walking into a womans clothing store to buy a bra?
YEAH RIGHT!
But in your case, Im willing to make an exception
If anyone is confused, it is you
100% same conditions will yield the same outcome....
I believe in determination.....Fate if you will...
Quantum mechanics as I see it, is not probabilistic. WE label it as being probabilistic because WE dont have the full info. That means jack squat!
If the system that Mordred is describing was the case, then the "replay" has the potential to yield a different outcome. Yet he and I both agree that it will only have 1 set outcome.
Then he applies full thrust and pulls a 9g turn, breaking the formation, bound for wonderland or some other place of a mythical nature...
What assumptions are they?
Your claim of magic is meant to hold the key?
Einy: "As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality."
I could take his quote as follows:
"As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain..."
He was talking to the atheist in terms of science ruling out religion. This could mean that there is something greater that science cant explain. The real reality. (the belief that science rules out religion)
"as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality."
He could of meant that as far as they are certain IN THE CONFINES OF THIS UNIVERSE, they do not refer to the REAL REALITY...(the belief that science rules out religion)
These structures wernt made by a consciousness by any chance?
Yeah, I defy TLOP on a daily bases...
Youre saying that things are magical. I say that they are not.
ahhh, Ill give it a shot
LOL
Youre in wonderland
What have I said that is inconsistant?
You have actually
roger that
He told you personally did he?
I never said that it was...
good on ya
So why doesnt the "replay" have a potential to change?
How so?
I dont believe in his magic
Sure, you could flick a coin and I couldnt tell you with 100% certainty what the outcome is. I dont have the info. However, TLOP controls the whole event.
I like to use "not enough info"
Yes! Because they have the exact same conditions. If it was completely random, then the replays should have the potential to be different (magic)
na
But he got it all wrong!
Was only trying to be witty haha
