Q-Source,
I believe the same, Science is absolutely neutral and objective.
Right! Exactly, which is why NO TRUE scientist would
EVER call himself an A-Theist unless he knew and could prove that there was No God. Anyone who calls themselves an A-Theist and can’t prove the nonexistence of God is no Scientist. They are not being neutral or objective. They are demonstrating an obvious bias.
They have an a priori conclusion. They are not open-minded.
True Scientists are ALWAYS open minded.
Franko:
A-Theism does make use of some Science, but for the most part A-Theism is just a whacky evil religion that brainwashes people into believing that an inevitable and horrible Fate awaits them no matter what they do.
Q-Source:
Wasn't it FATE which holds exactly what you say atheists do???
You have said hundred of times that everything is predetermined by Fate, that you don't believe in Free Will.
Why would an atheist preach an horrible Fate to others?, unless you are talking about the "cease to exist" thing.
That is exactly what I am talking about.
As well as the idea that there are no ultimate answers, and no ultimate consequences for actions. Both of those are equally horrible in their own way.
Atheists hold that TLOP are probabilistic instead of deterministic. So, it seems a contradiction to hear that.
When you approach a “red” traffic light are YOUR actions probabilistic, or Deterministic?
Honestly Q-Source, how often do you uncontrollably and randomly run “red” lights? If Human action were Truly probabilistic instead of deterministic then that is exactly what would happen – does it?
Besides it’s a moot point. There is no matter anyway. All there is are patterns in the Energy. If they are not objective, and logical then you (and Mordred) are claiming that they are magical and supernatural. Think about it.
Franko:
What Determinism says in a nutshell sounds like nothing more than common sense – that’s exactly what it is. Determinism says: People do things for Logical Reasons (based on past experiences).
Q-Source:
What you say is that people behave in a way that is 100% predictable. I would need to read something about Skinner's writings to understand more about this.
What I want to know is if you find this to be the most important obstacle to understand how the Universe behaves according to the LD?
Forget me and everyone else for a moment.
Can You predict what You will do in a given situation?
Say I describe a situation to you, and I describe it in perfect detail accounting for every variable you would consider. Can you predict with 100% accuracy what you will do in that situation?
If you answer yes, then what happened to probability? How can You know for certain what you will do? Aren’t you made of Atoms which are effected by Quantum mechanical states?
The fact is that QM is only random when you don’t know the past history of the particle in question. Know the relevant history, and QM ceases to be random.
BTW, probabilities are based on past experiences too.
Darling I propose that I could build a machine that would flip a specific coin, and I coud set that machine so that it would always flip the coin and make it land “Heads” up, or “Tails” up as I desired.
Know all of the parameters involved, and you can compute the future with 100% accuracy.
Franko:
Besides … the Necromancer has a big problem on his hands that he doesn’t know about. He thinks that because he doesn’t understand QM that it must be magic.
Q-Source:
So, what you propose is to get rid of QM as an approach to understand and explain the Universe. But, what to do with the tons of evidence that support this theory's predictions?.
Do you propose to go back to classical mechanics?. I see this as a solution to comprehend your philosophy and therefore to believe in God. I know that there are more implications that follow after that, but this is what you perceive to be the most important obstacle?
Particles look like they have “free will” (are random) because we don’t understand (know) their histories. When you know the relevant history, you can predict which slit the particle will go through, and you can predict it accurately 100% of the time.
You and I are also particles. We are gravitons. You don’t know all of my relevant history, so to you my behavior will often appear random and unpredictable, but when you do understand my history, (assuming you understand my algorithm as well) you will be able to predict my actions with a high degree of accuracy.
For your own self, You always know your relevant history, so your own actions are entirely predictable to you 100% of the time. You are the source of your actions. You had better know what you are going to do. If not, who does?
You have to try and think of things in terms of Energy.
Imagine Reality as it really is. All that exist is a sea of Energy. Within this sea of Energy you are simply a pattern stored within the Energy. But you are a pattern of Energy which is capable of perceiving other patterns in the Energy.
That is your “matter”. It is nothing more then patterns within the Energy. You are a disembodied self-awareness. Your mind is what makes “matter” hard. Your mind is what gives it substance, and makes it tangible.
BTW. Welcome back to the forum
Ohhh, Thank you Sweetheart!
Honestly, I don’t like the “kiddie pool” that much, but I think I made my point.
