Regarding Franko...

[Legallee Insane]

What is your evidence for the non-existence of “free will”?
Franko, Logical Deist: Atoms obey TLOP; You are made of Atoms; YOU OBEY TLOP!

What is your evidence for the existence of “god”?
Franko, Logical Deist: TLOP (“god”) makes/controls YOU makes/controls CAR.
In the same way that YOU are more conscious then a CAR, TLOP is more conscious then YOU.

I know people have pointed this out to you before but here we go again. That isn't proof by any stretch of the imagination, its just a simple assertion on your part. Now I will join in the crowd asking you, "Please provide evidence for YOUR beliefs."

Franko (aka Wraith):
Well considering the “content” of ALL your posts CWL (and Tricky, and MRC, and Pixy, etc) I think my responses are more than YOU deserve A-Theist.

Hmmmm. Yes, yes Franko, for once you are absolutely correct. None of us deserve to hear your pearls of wisdom, so please cease and desist posting here immediately so as to torture us with your absence.

 

[Max560]

Why did the chicken cross the road?

Atoms obey TLOP
Chickens are made of Atoms
Chickens obey TLOP

TLOP makes/controls CHICKEN crosses/controls ROAD

 

[wraith]

I know people have pointed this out to you before but here we go again. That isn't proof by any stretch of the imagination, its just a simple assertion on your part. Now I will join in the crowd asking you, "Please provide evidence for YOUR beliefs."

Are you some kind of looney toon?!

Atoms obey TLOP
Youre made of atoms
You obey TLOP

Where is this invisible flaw?

CAR obeys YOU obeys TLOP

How can you be more conscious than TLOP without pulling a double standard out of your pants?

 

[MRC_Hans]

Are you some kind of looney toon?!

Atoms obey TLOP
Youre made of atoms
You obey TLOP

Where is this invisible flaw?

CAR obeys YOU obeys TLOP

How can you be more conscious than TLOP without pulling a double standard out of your pants?

Ahh, I found the invisible flaw! It is not a RESET; what we are seing is a REBOOT. Thus, no information carries over from previous sessions.

Now seriously, Wranko/Fraid: The flaw seems to be only invisible to you. As you can see it in other versions of the same syllogism, the double standard is yours.

Anyhow, your statement has been rejected in this debate, but you just keep restating it. When others then produce the same counter arguments, you accuse them of repeating themselves. Again the double standard is yours.

I, for one, have been tolerant of your lies and insults for a long time now, because I felt that somewhere down under all the gibberish, there were a real person, actually seeking debate.

Well, it seems I was mistaken. Present something new, and I'll gladly engage you in a sober debate. But as it is now, you are not worth it. For several months now, you have been presenting nothing but unfounded claims, lies and self-contradictions. Add to this your insolent and condescenting tone, you come out as a total creep.

You claim to believe in a benevolent goddess. Do you really think she endorses lies and insults? Do you really think she endorses namecalling and telling people to go jump of a building. Do you really think you are able to tell people what your goddess thinks about them?

---- Oh, well. It felt good to type it.

Hans

 

[wraith]

Ahh, I found the invisible flaw! It is not a RESET; what we are seing is a REBOOT. Thus, no information carries over from previous sessions.

Now seriously, Wranko/Fraid: The flaw seems to be only invisible to you. As you can see it in other versions of the same syllogism, the double standard is yours.

Anyhow, your statement has been rejected in this debate, but you just keep restating it. When others then produce the same counter arguments, you accuse them of repeating themselves. Again the double standard is yours.

I, for one, have been tolerant of your lies and insults for a long time now, because I felt that somewhere down under all the gibberish, there were a real person, actually seeking debate.

Well, it seems I was mistaken. Present something new, and I'll gladly engage you in a sober debate. But as it is now, you are not worth it. For several months now, you have been presenting nothing but unfounded claims, lies and self-contradictions. Add to this your insolent and condescenting tone, you come out as a total creep.

You claim to believe in a benevolent goddess. Do you really think she endorses lies and insults? Do you really think she endorses namecalling and telling people to go jump of a building. Do you really think you are able to tell people what your goddess thinks about them?

---- Oh, well. It felt good to type it.

Hans

this sunflower couldnt answer me....oh well...

next!

 

[Tricky]

this sunflower couldnt answer me....oh well...

next!

Actually, wraith, Hans directly answered everthing you asked, except the "looney tunes" ad hom, which he answered indirectly by showing that he was not one.

In fact, every serious question you have asked has been answered. Evidence of free will has been provided (by you!), the flaws in the syllogism have been pointed out, and the double standard has been shown to be yours.

Now, I realize that you do not accept any of the answers, but it is an easy matter to show you the posts where you have been answered. If you want to be honest, you would say, "None of you have provided the kind of answers I was looking for." You do want to be honest, do you not?

 

[Franko]

Franko:
TLOP (“god”) makes/controls YOU makes/controls CAR.
In the same way that YOU are more conscious then a CAR, TLOP is more conscious then YOU.

Legally-an-A-Theist
I know people have pointed this out to you before but here we go again. That isn't proof by any stretch of the imagination, its just a simple assertion on your part. Now I will join in the crowd asking you, "Please provide evidence for YOUR beliefs."

Just an assertion?!?!

Are you actually claiming that your CAR may be more conscious then You?

I realize that a lot of A-Theists think they are really “smart”. I realize that a lot of you A-Theists are required to believe that TOAST and CARs are more complex and conscious then HUMAN BEINGs, but personally I think it makes you sound Legally Insane when you claim it.

Hmmmm. Yes, yes Franko, for once you are absolutely correct. None of us deserve to hear your pearls of wisdom, so please cease and desist posting here immediately so as to torture us with your absence.

You really ought to apply the principle of “empirical evidence” a little more often … For starters try reading the thread title next time before you post.

 

[Franko]

Why did the chicken cross the road?

Atoms obey TLOP
Chickens are made of Atoms
Chickens obey TLOP

Ohhh, are you sure A-Theist? Maybe the chicken used his magic “free willy” powers to disobey TLOP and he crossed the Road because he knew there wouldn’t be any consequences for his actions?

Either that, or the chicken crossed the road because chemistry made him do it.

 

[Max560]

Ohhh, are you sure A-Theist? Maybe the chicken used his magic “free willy” powers to disobey TLOP and he crossed the Road because he knew there wouldn’t be any consequences for his actions?

Either that, or the chicken crossed the road because chemistry made him do it.

Relax Franko, its just a joke. Come to think of it, the punchline is also a joke!

Here's another question:

What inspired DaVinci to paint the Mona Lisa?

Atoms obey TLOP
DaVinci is (was) made of Atoms
DaVinci obeys (obeyed) TLOP

TLOP makes/controls DaVinci made/painted Mona Lisa

Mystery Solved!

 

[Max560]

Franko:

If someone kicked you in the groin, would it be because that was their fate, or because they believed that solipsism was true?

Just wondering

 

[hammegk]

What inspired DaVinci to paint the Mona Lisa?

Atoms obey TLOP
DaVinci is (was) made of Atoms
DaVinci obeys (obeyed) TLOP

TLOP makes/controls DaVinci made/painted Mona Lisa

Mystery Solved!

Is there something about your analysis you are disputing?

If so, which part or parts?

 

[whitefork]

The point may be that the existence of the Mona Lisa and its creation by Leonardo are not completely or even meaningfully addressed by the role played by the laws of physics, that something else is required to account for its existence.

One might also ask whether the laws of physics have any explanatory value with regard to the impossibility of trisecting an angle with compass and straightedge.

 

[hammegk]

something else is required to account for its existence.

Unfortunately for atheists/materialists, they *have* nothing else.

 

[whitefork]

*have*

 

[hammegk]

The sound of one hand clapping???

 

[Franko]

What inspired DaVinci to paint the Mona Lisa?

A woman?

Atoms obey TLOP
DaVinci is (was) made of Atoms
DaVinci obeys (obeyed) TLOP

TLOP makes/controls DaVinci made/painted Mona Lisa

Mystery Solved!

Was it a mystery?

I take it by your sarcasm that you believe TLOP didn’t cause Da Vinci to paint the Mona Lisa? I suppose you believe it was all Magic? Maybe Da Vinci used his “free willy” to create the Mona Lisa?

Then again maybe TLOP used Her “free willy” to create the Earth, and the Moon, and the Stars???

If someone kicked you in the groin, would it be because that was their fate, or because they believed that solipsism was true?

If Solipsism is True, then you would have free will, but me and everyone else would simply be algorithms obeying a fixed set of laws (laws like TLOP). Kicking me in the groin would have the same effect as when you kick any of the other figments of your imagination.

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Whitebread:

The point may be that the existence of the Mona Lisa and its creation by Leonardo are not completely or even meaningfully addressed by the role played by the laws of physics, that something else is required to account for its existence.

How specifically is the creation of the Mona Lisa not completely or meaningfully addressed by TLOP? Are you claiming that paintings are not made of Atoms? Are you claiming that paintings exist beyond or above the Laws of Physics? How so?

What are you claiming whitemeat? I smell another of your diversions into Logic La-la-land.

 

[Max560]

What were the main factors which led to the Meiji Restoration?

Atoms obey TLOP
Japan is made of Atoms
Japan obeys TLOP

TLOP makes/controls Japan makes/controls Meiji Restoration

I had this question during a history midterm back in the day. If only I had provided the answer above, I could have aced the midterm. On the other hand, I may have lost points on the style of my prose. Perhaps the better response would be:

The Meiji Restoration happened because that was Japan's fate.

 

[Max560]

Is there something about your analysis you are disputing?

If so, which part or parts?

What's there to dispute? It provides the entire answer, and sure saves on thinking!

 

[Max560]

You ever play that game Dungeons & Dragons?

Heh.

I bet you always insisted on being the DM.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Yeah, well. Same person has repeatedly stated that D&D is a good analogy of real life. I guess that really says it all.

Hans