Real İslam is only in Quran

[JoeMorgue]

I knew as soon as I read the horrible verses of eternal hellfire in the Quran that it was not from God. See verses 4.56 and 22.19 and 40.72

Your God is a sadistic monster.

IT'S YOUR GOD TOO and your is just as sadistic.

Don't you ******* dare act like you aren't exactly the same. Stop acting like you're standing on the opposite side of the line as him.

Your God has a talking snake and you celebrate it when he kills little girls. Shut up, shut up some more, go away and take a 10 week correspondence course in shutting up, get your Shutting Up Certificate, and then shut up again.

 

[Scorpion]

Look, you have witnessed people in this forum who insist that there is Burak in the verses, although there is no Burak in the verses.

Human beings are problematic, unfortunately. That is why we have to prove something that is obvious again with proofs. The text is perfect and clear, but the people who read it can be problematic. It is these mistakes that I show.

By the way, as you can see, there is no Burak in Islam.

Quran 17.1 Glorified be he who carried his servant by night from the inviolable place of worship to the far distant mosque.

The above verse says 'he' carried Muhammad to the far distant mosque. 'He' meaning the flying donkey. The Quran leaves out many details of the stories it tells, the name of the donkey is just another omission The Quran is a mumbling half remembered rendition of stories stolen from the bible and Arab myths, and other sources.

And the Quran says hell is eternal, as I have proved in my recent post quoting the verses.

 

[Scorpion]

IT'S YOUR GOD TOO and your is just as sadistic.

Don't you ******* dare act like you aren't exactly the same. Stop acting like you're standing on the opposite side of the line as him.

Your God has a talking snake and you celebrate it when he kills little girls. Shut up, shut up some more, go away and take a 10 week correspondence course in shutting up, get your Shutting Up Certificate, and then shut up again.

I do not believe in talking snakes and have never celebrated killing little girls.

 

[Norman Alexander]

Look, you have witnessed people in this forum who insist that there is Burak in the verses, although there is no Burak in the verses.

Human beings are problematic, unfortunately. That is why we have to prove something that is obvious again with proofs. The text is perfect and clear, but the people who read it can be problematic. It is these mistakes that I show.

By the way, as you can see, there is no Burak in Islam.

And yet most Muslims, and there are billions, celebrate the prophet's rise to heaven on the back of a "beautiful creature" called Burak. I even provided a painting made hundreds of years ago that is readily accessible to you in Turkiye.

So again, please explain why Muslims celebrate something that you say doesn't exist.

 

[Emre_1974tr]

Look, you have witnessed people in this forum who insist that there is Burak in the verses, although there is no Burak in the verses.

Human beings are problematic, unfortunately. That is why we have to prove something that is obvious again with proofs. The text is perfect and clear, but the people who read it can be problematic. It is these mistakes that I show.

By the way, as you can see, there is no Burak in Islam.

And according to the Koran, hell is finite( It will be executed one day with its contents, that is, it will be destroyed), but paradise is eternal.

It is not only in the field of religion that experts and majority mislead people, but in every field, from medicine to astrophysics, so-called experts have wrong beliefs in their own fields for various reasons and impose them on humanity.

Humanity has seen the latest example in medicine with vaccines and wrong treatments.

 

[Norman Alexander]

And according to the Koran, hell is finite( It will be executed one day with its contents, that is, it will be destroyed), but paradise is eternal.

It is not only in the field of religion that experts and majority mislead people, but in every field, from medicine to astrophysics, so-called experts have wrong beliefs in their own fields for various reasons and impose them on humanity.

Humanity has seen the latest example in medicine with vaccines and wrong treatments.

So is every other Muslim but you wrong by celebrating the prophet's rise to heaven on the back of Buraq? Because Buraq is not mentioned by name in the Qu'ran?

 

[Scorpion]

And according to the Koran, hell is finite( It will be executed one day with its contents, that is, it will be destroyed), but paradise is eternal.

It is not only in the field of religion that experts and majority mislead people, but in every field, from medicine to astrophysics, so-called experts have wrong beliefs in their own fields for various reasons and impose them on humanity.

Do me a favour. Please quote the Quran verses that say hell will end in one day.

Did you completely overlook the following Quran verses I recently posted which clearly state hell is eternal?

4.93 Who slays a believer of set purpose, his reward is hell forever
4.121 For such their habitation will be hell, and they will find no refuge from it.
4.169 Except the road of hell, wherein they will abide forever.
11.107 Abiding there so long as the heaven and earth endures.
32.14 Taste the doom of immortality
41.28 the fire, that is their immortal home
72.23 and who disobeys Allah and his messenger , lo! his is the fire of hell, wherein such dwell forever.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

And according to the Koran, hell is finite( It will be executed one day with its contents, that is, it will be destroyed), but paradise is eternal.

It is not only in the field of religion that experts and majority mislead people, but in every field, from medicine to astrophysics, so-called experts have wrong beliefs in their own fields for various reasons and impose them on humanity.

Humanity has seen the latest example in medicine with vaccines and wrong treatments.

This really is a bottomless well of crazy, isn't it?
Emre, thank you for your endless entertainment: posts like yours are a constant reminder to me of my belief that the world will be a much better place without religion. And, yes, Emre, that means your peculiar set of beliefs too.

 

[JoeMorgue]

I will ask again so I will be ignored.

Why should I believe one religious person when they say "My beliefs are true and I know this because I read my Holy Book like... really hard and I feel it to be true in my souls" when that's what all of them say and you can't all be right?

If only God had put "Answer questions openly and honestly" in his stupid holy books as one of the Commandments.

 

[JayUtah]

The text is perfect and clear, but the people who read it can be problematic. It is these mistakes that I show.

How does the world know you're not the problematic one? You're not fixing the flaw in your argument. Simply declaring that people who disagree with you are having "problems" doesn't establish that the text they're disagreeing with you over is somehow nevertheless clear, nor that you're invariably on the right side of the disagreement. As before, you simply declare your sect to be the right answer and proceed to reason circularly from that assumption.

 

[JayUtah]

It is not only in the field of religion that experts and majority mislead people, but in every field, from medicine to astrophysics, so-called experts have wrong beliefs in their own fields for various reasons and impose them on humanity.

No.

You are not an expert in astrophysics whereas I am. Contrary to religion, our theories are based on testable evidence and exist under a presumption that new evidence can unseat them. In contrast, you simply proceed from a declaration of your own infallibility and ignore evidence to the contrary.

No we are not misleading the public "for some reason" that you can't identify. As with most religious fanatics, you seem to have fallen into the trap of simply hating all science because it doesn't validate your beliefs. You try to chastise other readers here for not thoroughly understanding your religion, its traditions, and texts. Now it is my turn: you are not an expert and you should therefore confine your comments to things you actually know.

Humanity has seen the latest example in medicine with vaccines and wrong treatments.

No, vaccines are generally beneficial and have saved countless lives. You seem to be steeping yourself in anti-science propaganda rather than searching for actual truth.

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

And according to the Koran, hell is finite( It will be executed one day with its contents, that is, it will be destroyed), but paradise is eternal.

It is not only in the field of religion that experts and majority mislead people, but in every field, from medicine to astrophysics, so-called experts have wrong beliefs in their own fields for various reasons and impose them on humanity.

Humanity has seen the latest example in medicine with vaccines and wrong treatments.

Well, this science denial at least answered me implicitly. The reason you explain your god did not explain basic virology/bacteriology/antibiotics is because you do not believe those exist.
Tell me, do you still believe that diseases are a punishment of god and thus should never be treated but rather that the sufferers should do penance for their faults that caused the punishment?

 

[Emre_1974tr]

And according to the Koran, hell is finite( It will be executed one day with its contents, that is, it will be destroyed), but paradise is eternal.

It is not only in the field of religion that experts and majority mislead people, but in every field, from medicine to astrophysics, so-called experts have wrong beliefs in their own fields for various reasons and impose them on humanity.

Humanity has seen the latest example in medicine with vaccines and wrong treatments.

The so-called experts on this forum likewise cling to the lies they have been fed.

 

[Emre_1974tr]

should never be treated but rather that the sufferers should do penance for their faults that caused the punishment?

All troubles and disasters are actually Allah's punishment for us. But if we struggle against these disasters and overcome them, what we deserve this time will be beauty.

Allah creates in various ways. He says in His verses that He has created all technological blessings. So the things created through human endeavour are actually God's creation.

In this context, if we overcome diseases or eliminate other troubles through science and technology, God has actually created these beauties. We are again given what we deserve. Already in the verses we are commanded to fight against evil, disease and poverty.

It is God's command to make the world a like paradise.

 

[JayUtah]

The so-called experts on this forum likewise cling to the lies they have been fed.

No, the actual experts on this forum follow a program of progressive refinement and empirical verification, something you refuse to do for your own beliefs. Insulting the intelligence and qualifications of your critics does not convince people that your claims of infallibility are true.

Science exists and works, despite your desperate desire to believe otherwise.

 

[JayUtah]

Allah creates in various ways. He says in His verses that He has created all technological blessings. So the things created through human endeavour are actually God's creation.

Nope. They are the product of a very well documented, centuries-long program of progressive acquisition and testing of knowledge. Allah is not involved, no matter how badly you want to claim credit for it after the fact.

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

All troubles and disasters are actually Allah's punishment for us. But if we struggle against these disasters and overcome them, what we deserve this time will be beauty.

Allah creates in various ways. He says in His verses that He has created all technological blessings. So the things created through human endeavour are actually God's creation.

In this context, if we overcome diseases or eliminate other troubles through science and technology, God has actually created these beauties. We are again given what we deserve. Already in the verses we are commanded to fight against evil, disease and poverty.

It is God's command to make the world a like paradise.

So...
1: your antivaxx nonsense goes directly against the commands you claim you should follow, so you go against Islam yourself.
2: In that case, again, why does your god not explain in a single quick page HOW to actually fight diseases. No verses. No poetry. No allegory, just 'this is how you defend against x, y and z'

 

[Scorpion]

The so-called experts on this forum likewise cling to the lies they have been fed.

IT IS YOU WHO IS LYING.

There is no other explanation why you keep posting that hell will end in a day, other than you think people have not read the Quran, or they will not check what you say for themselves.

THE UNHOLY QURAN CLEARLY SAYS HELL IS FOREVER.

 

[JoeMorgue]

This is what religion does to people (or their online personas I neither know nor care which).

He literally can't argue or debate. He can't do it. He can just go "I'm right because I said so!" over and over and over. All the pathways in his brain where you actually process information as you or I understand the concept don't work anymore.

It's the one thing that breaks even dishonest discourse, arguing with someone who wrong and they don't even know why they believe the thing they are do.

Emre (or the persona he's playing as) doesn't know WHY he is a Muslim. He has no answers to any of our questions.

He will not address, much less answer, any criticism put forth to him.

 

[JayUtah]

He literally can't argue or debate. He can't do it. He can just go "I'm right because I said so!" over and over and over. All the pathways in his brain where you actually process information as you or I understand the concept don't work anymore.
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Emre (or the persona he's playing as) doesn't know WHY he is a Muslim. He has no answers to any of our questions.

This is why so many people simply refuse to engage with entrenched religionists. They didn't arrive at their beliefs and conclusions by a rational process, so a rational process doesn't apply to unseat them. Their beliefs are propositional knowledge. For me, if someone acknowledges that, then I'm happy leaving them alone. They've given fair warning that no rational discussion is possible. What I find hard to resist are those who claim their propositional knowledge is not really that, but is the product of (and susceptible to) a rational process. If I can succeed in one thing, it would be to show to such people what a rational process actually looks like so that they can stop deluding themselves.