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Rape victims don't get pregnant, says Republican sen. nominee

Professor Yaffle said:
A good blog post from Scientific American which shows that the rate of pregnancy from rape is not appreciably different from the rate of pregnancy from a single act of unprotected consensual sex, averaged over the monthly cycle.

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com...ome-legitimate-science-on-pregnancy-and-rape/

Apologies if this has been posted before, I haven't been following the thread closely.
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Oh, look. It even addresses the whole stupid and offensive "stress" argument five months before Gingrey used it in support of Akin's even stupider and more offensive statements.

Any comment, AvalonXQ?
 
AvalonXQ said:
Can I ask what's "stupid and offensive" about the OB-GYN's comments?
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First you have to define "stress". There are many kinds of stress from physical stress to mental or emotional stress.

Then you have to look at acute stress vs chronic stress.

Then you have to consider the effect of stress on implantation, not just on ovulation. You can get pregnant up to 5 days around ovulation because of the life of the sperm and the time it takes the egg to pass through the fallopian tubes and the uterus.


To make the assumption the infertile female is somehow sabotaging ovulation because of either stress with sex or stress over wanting to get pregnant is an archaic ignorant stereotype about women and sex.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
First you have to define "stress". There are many kinds of stress from physical stress to mental or emotional stress.

Then you have to look at acute stress vs chronic stress.
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So you're saying the comment suffers from equivocation regarding the term "stress" - that is, the "stress" that women trying to get pregnant are cautioned about may not be equivalent to the "stress" associated with trauma from being attacked. Particularly, it may be chronic rather than acute stress that affects ovulation and/or implantation in pregnancy. That makes sense.

To make the assumption the infertile female is somehow sabotaging ovulation because of either stress with sex or stress over wanting to get pregnant is an archaic ignorant stereotype about women and sex.
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Part of the same equivocation problem?
 
AvalonXQ said:
So you're saying the comment suffers from equivocation regarding the term "stress" - that is, the "stress" that women trying to get pregnant are cautioned about may not be equivalent to the "stress" associated with trauma from being attacked. Particularly, it may be chronic rather than acute stress that affects ovulation and/or implantation in pregnancy. That makes sense.


Part of the same equivocation problem?
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Have you found a source for your claim yet?
 
AvalonXQ said:
No, they're talking about the fact that trauma or stress can be a cause of fertility problems in women. It is absolutely the case that women that seek infertility treatment are counseled about stress and its potential effects on ovulation.
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Perhaps it can affect fertility after the rape has occurred. However, while being raped, the victim's chance of pregnancy is probably about the same as during consensual sex. Which means, Akin isn't even partially correct, and neither is this guy.
 
AvalonXQ said:
You'll have to ask a different "rapeologist."
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A.) I didn't call you a "rapeologist". B.) I apologized for being rude . C.) You still have a responsibility to support your claims.

Have you found a source for your claim that the good doctor was correct?
 
AvalonXQ said:
So you're saying the comment suffers from equivocation regarding the term "stress" - that is, the "stress" that women trying to get pregnant are cautioned about may not be equivalent to the "stress" associated with trauma from being attacked. Particularly, it may be chronic rather than acute stress that affects ovulation and/or implantation in pregnancy. That makes sense.


Part of the same equivocation problem?
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In the case of the ignorant Congressman doctor, it was the perpetuation of a misogynist myth. He revealed his ignorance when he spouted an old medical myth rather than revealing he had actual scientific knowledge of the role of stress in ovulation and implantation.

Do you know where the word, 'hysteria', comes from?
 
http://www.livescience.com/22515-akin-rape-pregnancy-myths.html

The chance of getting pregnant from one event of unprotected sexual intercourse is 5 percent on average, according to the Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network (RAINN).

And according to research by Holmes and her colleagues published in 1996 in the American Journal of Obstetrics & Gynecology, that same rate applies to rape victims, though it's tricky to compare these different populations.

"Rape-related pregnancy occurs with significant frequency," the study researchers wrote in their journal article. "It is a cause of many unwanted pregnancies, and is closely linked with family and domestic violence."

In the study, Holmes and her colleagues, followed more than 4,000 American adults over a three-year period. Nationally, they found rape-related pregnancy rate was 5 percent among women of reproductive age, 12 to 45, meaning about 32,000 pregnancies result from rape each year, they concluded.
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Dear Republicans,

STOP TALKING ABOUT RAPE ALREADY!

Hugs and Kisses,
ANT Pogo
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Dr Dean (as in Howard) said the man was shamefully ignorant today on MSNBC. Can you imagine telling infertile couples the little woman just needs to relax more during sex, being uptight is making her not ovulate? How backwards is that?
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What ? You mean, women don't think with their uterus ???
 
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