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Rape victims don't get pregnant, says Republican sen. nominee

Yup. Another wacky rapeologist in elective office reveals hisself. They're like cockroaches too; for every one you spot, there's another 100 behind the walls.
 
Alareth said:
They just can't stop themselves can they?

Rep. Phil Gingrey, R-Ga, a former ob/gyn, claims Akin was partly right using some pretty convoluted logic:

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/...ressman-akins-rape-comments-were-partly-right
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He's saying that the traumatic experience of rape may disrupt subsequent ovulation, which is accurate. He also points out that ovulation prior to the rape could still result in pregnancy.

Sounds like this guy has his facts straight, unlike Akin.
 
AvalonXQ said:
He's saying that the traumatic experience of rape may disrupt subsequent ovulation, which is accurate. He also points out that ovulation prior to the rape could still result in pregnancy.

Sounds like this guy has his facts straight, unlike Akin.
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"[Akin] went on and said that in a situation of rape, of a legitimate rape, a woman’s body has a way of shutting down so the pregnancy would not occur. He’s partly right on that.”

And as "evidence", he points to when he used to tell women to drink booze if they were having trouble conceiving because they were all "tense and uptight".

Republicans really need to just shut the hell up about rape.
 
ANTPogo said:
"[Akin] went on and said that in a situation of rape, of a legitimate rape, a woman’s body has a way of shutting down so the pregnancy would not occur. He’s partly right on that.”

And as "evidence", he points to when he used to tell women to drink booze if they were having trouble conceiving because they were all "tense and uptight".

Republicans really need to just shut the hell up about rape.
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:rolleyes: Being educated doesn't make one smart.
 
Dr Dean (as in Howard) said the man was shamefully ignorant today on MSNBC. Can you imagine telling infertile couples the little woman just needs to relax more during sex, being uptight is making her not ovulate? How backwards is that?

Of course Dean has never gotten along with Gingrey: Howard Dean's Fighting Words for Congressman
Dean's response: "Dr. Gingrey is just plain wrong. He's an embarrassment," Dean said. "Also, my wife's name is Judith, not Elizabeth, and she does accept Medicaid patients. So this fella simply doesn't know what he's talking about." And finally, "Good thing he's in Congress because I'd hate to see what he'd do to patients."
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Here's the part of Gingrey's comments I'm referring to:
But then he went on and said that in a situation of rape, of a legitimate rape, a woman’s body has a way of shutting down so the pregnancy would not occur. He’s partly right on that.”
Gingrey pointed out that he had been an ob-gyn since 1975.
“And I’ve delivered lots of babies, and I know about these things,” he’s quoted as saying. “It is true. We tell infertile couples all the time that are having trouble conceiving because of the woman not ovulating, ‘Just relax. Drink a glass of wine. And don’t be so tense and uptight because all that adrenaline can cause you not to ovulate.’ So he was partially right, wasn’t he? But the fact that a woman may have already ovulated 12 hours before she is raped, you’re not going to prevent a pregnancy there by a woman’s body shutting anything down because the horse has already left the barn, so to speak. And yet the media took that and tore it apart.”
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I'm pretty sure that's some very archaic belief about infertility advice.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Here's the part of Gingrey's comments I'm referring to:I'm pretty sure that's some very archaic belief about infertility advice.
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I can't help but wonder if these guys idiots are not generalizing from the fact that women can miscarry due to trauma or stress? I emphasize "can". (note miscarrying is a very, very different kettle of fish). In any event, I've no idea what the numbers are. And that's a problem I have with these supposed "experts" making these kinds of claims. I want to know the facts and not your biased opinion. Shut the hell up and point me to the data please.
 
AvalonXQ said:
He's saying that the traumatic experience of rape may disrupt subsequent ovulation, which is accurate. He also points out that ovulation prior to the rape could still result in pregnancy.

Sounds like this guy has his facts straight, unlike Akin.
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Great! We get to ask a rapeologist right here in this forum: Tell us more about this rape trauma / ovulation connection which you have just claimed is accurate.
 
AvalonXQ said:
No, they're talking about the fact that trauma or stress can be a cause of fertility problems in women. It is absolutely the case that women that seek infertility treatment are counseled about stress and its potential effects on ovulation.
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Which has sod all to do with the stupid crap that Akin said.
 
Alareth said:
They just can't stop themselves can they?

Rep. Phil Gingrey, R-Ga, a former ob/gyn, claims Akin was partly right using some pretty convoluted logic:

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/...ressman-akins-rape-comments-were-partly-right
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This is why I voted for Mickey Mouse as my Rep. Doesn't matter, sadly, I live in backasswards-land, they'd vote for Ted Bundy if he had an (R) after his name. Guns, God and Gays Gets you Georgia. Of course, many of our current voters date from a time when GA's educational system was in the bottom ten (and sometimes the bottom five!) of the USA, so I'm hardly surprised at this.

Gingrey's always been a tool, though. While the fragment of medical advice he hung his pro-rape opinion on is technically true (stress can screw up ovulation), all the conclusions he proceeded to draw from it are patently rubbish, including the super-long stretch necessary to validate Akin's "the body has ways to shut that whole thing down" ignorant blanket statement.

The technical term for this is retconning - an attempt by Gingrey to pretend that Akin wasn't saying what he actually said, that it was part of some more subtle plane of awareness thing where Akin actually knew what the **** he was talking about, instead of the reality where Akin was just shooting his mouth off because he really, really thinks that the problem of false accusations is somehow remotely comparable to the problem of, you know, BEING RAPED. Since the latter exponentially dwarfs the former in number of occurrences, perhaps it's time for the Republicans to just PIPE THE **** DOWN about rape already, and leave the subject to people who know something.

Ah well. Just another case of old privileged white men whining because they're losing their privilege, I suppose. :popcorn1
 
AvalonXQ said:
No, they're talking about the fact that trauma or stress can be a cause of fertility problems in women. It is absolutely the case that women that seek infertility treatment are counseled about stress and its potential effects on ovulation.
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Boy I hate to repeat myself.

I want to know the facts and not your biased opinion. Shut the hell up and point me to the data please.
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I hope that is clear this time.
 
AvalonXQ said:
He's saying that the traumatic experience of rape may disrupt subsequent ovulation, which is accurate. He also points out that ovulation prior to the rape could still result in pregnancy.

Sounds like this guy has his facts straight, unlike Akin.

hgc said:
Great! We get to ask a rapeologist right here in this forum: Tell us more about this rape trauma / ovulation connection which you have just claimed is accurate.
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Since you are putting yourself out there as the resident expert, please tell us more WITH citations.
 
Neither somebody who tells me to "shut up" nor somebody who calls me a "rapeologist" gives me any interest in continuing the conversation.
 
AvalonXQ said:
Neither somebody who tells me to "shut up"
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I wasn't referring to you when I said that. I have no idea what your political affiliations are, and frankly don't care. And as far as I'm aware, you aren't either a candidate or current officeholder spouting off offensive nonsense about rape. So I don't want you to shut up at all.

Now, are you going to discuss your support for (and apparent belief in the veracity of) Akin's and Gingrey's comments about rape, or aren't you?
 
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AvalonXQ said:
Neither somebody who tells me to "shut up" nor somebody who calls me a "rapeologist" gives me any interest in continuing the conversation.
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ANTPogo said:
I wasn't referring to you when I said that. I have no idea what your political affiliations are, and frankly don't care. And as far as I'm aware, you aren't either a candidate or current officeholder spouting off offensive nonsense about rape. So I don't want you to shut up at all.

Now, are you going to discuss your support for (and apparent belief in the veracity of) Akin's and Gingrey's comments about rape, or aren't you?
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I was referring to Avalon. Though I had quoted myself and when I first said "shut up" it wasn't directed to Avalon. In any event, I apologize.

Now, can we have something other than bald face assertions?
 
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Professor Yaffle said:
A good blog post from Scientific American which shows that the rate of pregnancy from rape is not appreciably different from the rate of pregnancy from a single act of unprotected consensual sex, averaged over the monthly cycle.

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com...ome-legitimate-science-on-pregnancy-and-rape/

Apologies if this has been posted before, I haven't been following the thread closely.
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But the rapes in the study were not legitimate rapes.

Its the no legitimate raping Scotsman argument.
 
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