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Questions. Simply.

DavidJames said:
You see ref, I'm bored with questions like yours. Little kids ask questions. When my kids were little they asked lots of questions. But what's different about CT questions and little kids questions, is little kids learn. Kids grow up and their questions have more depth. The questions become fewer as they learn to answer their own questions.

CTists keep asking the same questions over and over again. CTist never learn. CTists don't try and answer their own questions. CTists are worse then little kids. Their minds don't grow. Unlike little kids, they don't mature.

I feel sorry for CTists since they are stuck in maturing bodies while their brains remain little kids brains. I've been following the 9/11 CTists since early this year and not one of them has come to this forum with answers. Not one of them has come with anything other then questions. (okay, one, Christophera, but his answers are science fiction).
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Thanks for criticism also. No kid anymore, that's for sure. I am new to here, and the search sometimes find everything, sometimes not. Your answer brought nothing new to me either, so I guess we are even now.
 
ref said:
FDR's and CVR's are built to take plane crashes. They can take more than helmets I suppose. I there evidence of even parts or remains of them been found? Guess not.
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yes, they can take plane crashes, however they are not indestructable as many believe they cna. They were subjected to intense fires, were cooking beneath a pile of rubble ... and 110 story buildings crashed down upon them.
 
ref said:
1. How many people would you think, it would at least involve if LIHOP was true? What would be the least amount of people needed to create the confusion and allowing everything to take place?
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I think we know the least amount of people would be 19, which would be the number of hijackers.


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2. The four FDR:s from WTC site have not been found. How come there is not a sighting of any of those four after moving all the rubble? Would they be so destructed?
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There are a whole bunch of thinigs that we involved in the crashes that did not survive. Are FDR's designed to survive those type of crashes?

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3. Suppose the FDR's are kept behind closed doors. What, if any, would be the motive for that?
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Suppose that Martians stole the FDRs. What, if any, would be the motive for that?
Engaging in supposition without first having proof that the FDRs still exist is a waste of time.


ref said:
4. It was known that OBL was in Afghanistan and with Taliban. Taliban was already under pressure from the US and others. Do you think they didn't take the counter attack into account, and if did, what was their plan, since Taliban is now out of power and OBL somewhere missing or dead?
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Who knows? You should ask the Taliban that question.

ref said:
5. What is your take on the Barbara Olson phone call from flight 77? There is this claim:

"She was using the phone in the passengers’ seats,” said Mr Olson. Though the American Airlines Boeing 757 is fitted with individual telephones at each seat position, they are not of the variety where you can simply pick up the handset and ask for an operator. On many aircraft you can talk from one seat to another in the aircraft free of charge, but if you wish to access the outside world you must first swipe your credit card through the telephone. By Ted Olson’s own admission, Barbara did not have a credit card with her.

On American Airlines there is a telephone "setup" charge of US$2.50 which can only be paid by credit card, then a US$2.50 (sometimes US$5.00) charge per minute of speech thereafter. The setup charge is the crucial element. Without paying it in advance by swiping your credit card you cannot access the external telephone network."

What is your take on that?
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There are a myriad of ways she may have made the phone call. Used a debit card, used someone else credit card, etc. Are you trying to say that the phone call never happened? Why would anyone fake something that could so easily be determined as to whether or not it happened by checking phone records.

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6. Why did Madeline Sweeney, flight attendant for 12 years, not recognize New York City?

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ref said:
Woodward asks her to look out the window to see where they are. "I see water. I see buildings. We are flying low. We are flying very, very low. We are flying way too low. -pause- Oh my God, we are way too low."
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Why would she? Her job, especially at landing, is inside the plane, not sightseeing out a window.
 
ref said:
My first new thread. Yeah. Last time I was accused of hijacking a thread when asking questions there, so now my own thread for them.

1. How many people would you think, it would at least involve if LIHOP was true? What would be the least amount of people needed to create the confusion and allowing everything to take place?
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Answered by yourself.

ref said:
I think not many. Less than ten. Some to distract the radar/FAA/NORAD response and some to ignore the warnings at the highest levels.
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So you are proposing a scenario where there less than ten people involved. This scenario is to simply allow 911 to happen by doing nothing. Ten people to distract the FAA /NORAD and ignore all the intelligence warning. If you wish to pursue such a scenario why ask the following?
2. The four FDR:s from WTC site have not been found. How come there is not a sighting of any of those four after moving all the rubble? Would they be so destructed?
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You are suggesting that evidence was moved, or misplaced. You are suggesting that something other than ten people who let it happen on purpose happened. You are adding to you list of ten people by simply implying that somebody at ground zero committed a criminal act and removed vital evidence. The FDR from the planes that hit the Towers would show what exactly?
3. Suppose the FDR's are kept behind closed doors. What, if any, would be the motive for that?
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Again this is not in keeping with your let it happen on purpose scenario. It is pure speculation and involves people who made it happen.
4. It was known that OBL was in Afghanistan and with Taliban. Taliban was already under pressure from the US and others. Do you think they didn't take the counter attack into account, and if did, what was their plan, since Taliban is now out of power and OBL somewhere missing or dead?
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See above
5. What is your take on the Barbara Olson phone call from flight 77? There is this claim:

"She was using the phone in the passengers’ seats,” said Mr Olson. Though the American Airlines Boeing 757 is fitted with individual telephones at each seat position, they are not of the variety where you can simply pick up the handset and ask for an operator. On many aircraft you can talk from one seat to another in the aircraft free of charge, but if you wish to access the outside world you must first swipe your credit card through the telephone. By Ted Olson’s own admission, Barbara did not have a credit card with her.

On American Airlines there is a telephone "setup" charge of US$2.50 which can only be paid by credit card, then a US$2.50 (sometimes US$5.00) charge per minute of speech thereafter. The setup charge is the crucial element. Without paying it in advance by swiping your credit card you cannot access the external telephone network."

What is your take on that?
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If you are suggesting the call was not made or was in some way manufactured. It is not in keeping with your ten people, let it happen scenario. So what exactly are you suggesting?
6. Why did Madeline Sweeney, flight attendant for 12 years, not recognize New York City?

"Woodward asks her to look out the window to see where they are. "I see water. I see buildings. We are flying low. We are flying very, very low. We are flying way too low. -pause- Oh my God, we are way too low."
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See above.

Please when you ask questions and then offer up answers it is better to reinforce your scenario rather than totally contradicting it.

In summary you want to suggest 911 was allowed to happen and with could have been done by less than ten people. Then you have gone on to suggest evidence was removed, evidence is being suppressed and phone calls were not as they seem,please make up your mind what you are suggesting.
 
I recently had a flight attendant with me in a van ride to the airport from our layover in Washington DC who was not familair with the Washington monument. I mean she did not know what it was. I dont even know how that is possible in todays world If your a US citizen!

I am a Captain for Delta based out of Atlanta. Its routine for the FA's to NOT KNOW WHERE WE ARE. :)

Hornit
 
Hornit said:
I am a Captain for Delta based out of Atlanta. Its routine for the FA's to NOT KNOW WHERE WE ARE. :)

Hornit
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Aha! I wanna have a word with you about that landing at Las Vegas in October 2001.........
 
can you use a different source for that statement.
counterpunch isn't exactly reputable.
 
Arus808 said:
can you use a different source for that statement.
counterpunch isn't exactly reputable.
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Whaddya mean?

Surely you cannot argue with......


A source at the National Transportation Safety Board, the agency that has the task of deciphering the date from the black boxes retrieved from crash sites-including those that are being handled as crimes and fall under the jurisdiction of the FBI-says the boxes were in fact recovered and were analyzed by the NTSB.

"Off the record, we had the boxes," the source says. "You'd have to get the official word from the FBI as to where they are, but we worked on them here."

The official word from the NTSB is that the WTC crash site black boxes never turned up. "No recorders were recovered from the World Trade Center," says the NTSB's Lopatkiewicz. "At least none were delivered to us by the FBI." He adds that the agency has "always had a good relationship' with the FBI and that in all prior crime-related crashes or flight incidents, they have brought the boxes to the NTSB for analysis.

For its part, the FBI is still denying everything, though with curious bit of linguistic wiggle room. "To the best of my knowledge, the flight recording devices from the World Trade Center crashes were never recovered. At least we never had them," says FBI spokesman Stephen Kodak.

What the apparent existence of the black boxes in government hands means is unclear.
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http://www.counterpunch.org/lindorff12202005.html

A perfectly acceptable bit of reportage..... (twitch twitch)
 
geggy said:
Black boxes at ground zero were found and recovered by firefighters yet it was concealed by the fbi even though they've denied it was ever found.

http://www.counterpunch.org/lindorff12202005.html
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I see nothing in the story that convinces me that the FBI has the boxes.

If it's a conspiracy: They've had 5 years to fake the data, so why deny possession of it.

If not a conspiracy: Putting out the data would satisfy some (but not all; see above) critics.
 
geggy said:
Black boxes at ground zero were found and recovered by firefighters yet it was concealed by the fbi even though they've denied it was ever found.
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Here is the story of this "finding of the black boxes":
DeMasi, an all-terrain vehicles hobbyist - said he donated 4 ATVs to the clean-up and became known as “the ATV Guy.”

“At one point, I was asked to take Federal Agents around the site to search for the black boxes from the planes,” he wrote. “We were getting ready to go out. My ATV was parked at the top of the stairs at the Brooks Brothers entrance area. We loaded up about a million dollars worth of equipment and strapped it into the ATV...”

“There were a total of four black boxes. We found three.”

Efforts over several days to locate and interview DeMasi, who is now said to be with the FDNY’s Marine Unit, were not successful.

But his account was verified by another member of the so-called TRAC Team, recovery site volunteer Bellone. He recalled FBI agents arriving for the search one day in early October, setting up their equipment near Brooks Brothers. He said he didn’t go out with them on the ATV but observed their search.

At one point, Bellone said he observed the team with a box that appeared charred but was redish-orange with two white stripes. Pictures of the flight recorders on the NTSB and other Web sites show devices that are orange, with two white stripes.

“There was the one that I saw, and two others were recovered in different locations - but I wasn’t there for the other two,” Bellone said. He said the FBI agents left with the boxes.

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That's what I would call a self-debunking story! :)
 
Just a simple question Ref.

If you don't like the Bush administration, why don't you focus on its policies, and try to protest them in a rational and democratic fashion, instead of trying to make this ridiculous house of cards work?
 
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ref said:
LIHOP without demolition.

FDR's and CVR's are built to take plane crashes. They can take more than helmets I suppose. I there evidence of even parts or remains of them been found? Guess not.
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Nothing is indestructible ref. With enough force, heat, and damage you can destroy anything. Well, according to Loose Change they are indestructible but that hardly counts as credible. "The recorders themselves are made from the most impervious metals known to man" -Loose Change. *ROLLS EYES*
 
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