Sarah-I said:
In other words, the nonsense WoowooWim comes out with, that you enthusiastically defend cannot be classical?
Barb was helping to give a definition of Homeopathy (as in not necessarily classical). She never succeeded in giving an actual definition, but did attempt to.
Rolfe
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Barb's definition was completely useless. Something about when a remedy is given according to homoeopathic principles and this is followed by a cure. In one fell swoop, total failure to explain "homoeopathic principles", and redefinition so that homoeopathy can claim 100% cure ('cos if there wasn't a cure, then it wan't homoeopathy - no matter what the patient thought they were paying for).Sarah-I said:
Care to try to do better?
Of course you know why we seek such a definition. To try to understand why, every time a homoeopathic procedure is demonstrated to be ineffective, there is a concerted declaration that it "wasn't real homoeopathy". Well, if you're simply going to say that you exclude from the definition of homoeopathy any case which wasn't cured, you may be right, but you're not being much use, are you?
Now, about combination remedies.
You know as well as I do that Wim almost invariably trots out a list of at least two or three remedies any time he leaps into a thread where someone is asking about a case. Which he does very frequently. And he seldom specifies that they are to be taken at different times of the day. (And with Sarah-the-cat, he had so many doses going that if you spaced them out equally and allowed 8 hours for sleep, Alphonse would have been dosing that poor cat with magic sugar every two hours or thereabouts.)
And he never takes even the degree of clinical history that a regular doctor would ask for, never mind a full homoeopathic case-taking. And yet you're so keen to defend him, you little groupie. All this guff about exceptions and "celebrities" (at least one of whom has been in court on the charge of causing unnecessary suffering to a dog he was supposedly treating with the magic sugar), thinly disguises the fact that he's making it up as he goes along.
Why are you defending this blatantly bad practice?
(And yes, this is off-topic, but if you refuse to come to the threads where these matters have been discussed and would still be being discussed if you hadn't abandoned them, then expect to be challenged wherever you make an appearance.)
Rolfe.
Hello all,
I was not expecting this much response--anyway thanks for postings. Pls keep the homeopathic discussions reserved at later stage or in other topic(this subject only) as homeopathy is so strong it can hijack or overpower other discussions being HIS supported..
Sarah-I, Rolfe is right, I am suspicious that excess diabetic insulin increasing medications (oral medicines & injected insulin) can cause persistant high blood sugar in some conditions as insulin resistance. Regular informations are much available on one of the best LINK of ADA(American Diabetic Association) I provided in my previous posts.
As far as I understand, insulin level in body should never be low nor higher & both can probably result in persistance hyperglycemia(high BG/BS levels) depending upon the condition. Our body cells may be more sensitive to higher insulin level that higher BG level--so their resistance should be towards insulin first that to BG.
Mr.Hans, your reply this time is not so strong, pls try again in view of my indications. Have you manipulated insulin senstizer ignoring diabetic oral medicines which increases insulin secretio?
I am bit surprised that why proper replies could not be given inspite of so many clues provided by me.
I was not expecting this much response--anyway thanks for postings. Pls keep the homeopathic discussions reserved at later stage or in other topic(this subject only) as homeopathy is so strong it can hijack or overpower other discussions being HIS supported..
Sarah-I, Rolfe is right, I am suspicious that excess diabetic insulin increasing medications (oral medicines & injected insulin) can cause persistant high blood sugar in some conditions as insulin resistance. Regular informations are much available on one of the best LINK of ADA(American Diabetic Association) I provided in my previous posts.
As far as I understand, insulin level in body should never be low nor higher & both can probably result in persistance hyperglycemia(high BG/BS levels) depending upon the condition. Our body cells may be more sensitive to higher insulin level that higher BG level--so their resistance should be towards insulin first that to BG.
Mr.Hans, your reply this time is not so strong, pls try again in view of my indications. Have you manipulated insulin senstizer ignoring diabetic oral medicines which increases insulin secretio?
I am bit surprised that why proper replies could not be given inspite of so many clues provided by me.
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Kumar said:
Supply one piece of evidence that insulin resistance is the result of insulin being given instead of resulting from chronic hyperglycaemia, down-regulation of insulin-receptors and other pathological processes.
Provide that single piece of evidence or face the fact that no one is going to pay your ideas any attention.
Sarah-I said:
This relation is not given on:-
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000369.htm
But given on:-
http://www.fertilityplus.org/faq/metformin.html#pcos
Anyway, can reduction in salt intake lower/control blood glucose levels in consderation of my previous postings/referances?
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Kumar said:As far as I understand, insulin level in body should never be low nor higher & both can probably result in persistance hyperglycemia(high BG/BS levels) depending upon the condition. Our body cells may be more sensitive to higher insulin level that higher BG level--so their resistance should be towards insulin first that to BG.
You are confusing cause and effect. High insulin levels are the RESULT, not the cause, of high BG. Now, it is possible that a very high insulin level due to faulty administering of insulin where sensitizing had been appropriate might speed up the developement of insensitivity, but that comes under the gross misprescribing I mentioned.
Mr.Hans, your reply this time is not so strong, pls try again in view of my indications. Have you manipulated insulin senstizer ignoring diabetic oral medicines which increases insulin secretio?
I am bit surprised that why proper replies could not be given inspite of so many clues provided by me.
WHAAAT? Come off it! Not only do you expect me to answer your endless overly naive questions, most of which turn out to have a hidden agenda, but now you are taking on a school-master tone? Proper replies, indeed. My answers are based on facts. If you don't like facts, I suggest you slink back to your woo woo boards and discuss your dream-world with Bach, Wim, Divina, et al.
Hans
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Kumar said:
Kumar.
I am not chasing your rabbits for you. Pull out the relevant information from your links and create an argument from them.
Rolfe
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He does it to everyone in the end. Give him information he likes and can twist to his own purpose, or get smacked by Kumar-the-genius-poster.MRC_Hans said:
No, he doesn't like facts.
Remember this thread? More than a year ago. Kumar was told all this then, and he's just behaving as if the thread had never happened. In spite of everything, he still thinks that treating a diabetic makes them worse. Because of something he thinks he observed, the details of which he won't tell us, and which he is almost certainly misinterpreting anyway.
Let's talk about something else.
Rolfe.
MRC_Hans said:
Insulin can act both as cause & effect. High BG causes more insulin secretion-here High BG is cause & high insulin secretion an effect. Right? Now, as you said "high insulin level due to faulty administering of insulin where sensitizing had been appropriate might speed up the developement of insensitivity", higher insulin level can be a cause to insensitivity of it, due to its excess exposure to cells, excess BG level thus caused by this insestivity so "the effect". Right?
Now say at pre-diabetic stage; due to fault in eating habits (irregular, excessive, occasional & sugar specifics) & due to other modern lifestyle & environment--occasional & excess insulin may be secreted-which may result in speeding up insulin senstivity>>so high BG. The cause here is excess insulin>>if you then firthur increase insulin by medication>>more insenstiveness>>>persistant high BG>>rest you can understand.
Badly Shaved Monkey said:
BSM, these are bit dynamic/differant aspects. Links may just help in linking but will not in telling exactly. As far as as I could link--these looks bit positive as yet, but you people are specialized in making the most negative, so presenting here for your.....
Rolfe
Adult human female
You lost all my respect months ago. I respected you as a true seeker after knowledge, but you turn out not to care about knowledge, only about getting someone to say that your bizarre preconceived deas are correct.Kumar said:
No respect here any more.
Rolfe.