Questions about Diabetes?

Oh, hi Sarah-I,

I see you're still around. Care to indulge in the debate on the various homeopathy threads you've dodged lately? We're still waiting for your answers there - it seems you may have time to answer them since you are active here now.
 
Kumar,

For certain substances to enter the cells to be utilised by them, they need protein carriers to do this. Ways of doing this are Active Transport. Active Transport uses what is known as the Sodium/Potassium Pump and substances move from an area of low concentration to an area of high concentration against a concentration gradient.

Kumar, perhaps you are becoming slightly confused by the use of the term Sodium in this respect? You do know that there is a higher concentration of Potassium inside the cell and a higher concentration of Sodium outside the cell?
 
Sarah-I said:
You do know that there is a higher concentration of Potassium inside the cell and a higher concentration of Sodium outside the cell?
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Yeah, we told him. Quite often.

He's only interested in ashing whole bodies and then analysing the ash. Subtleties like the difference between ECF and ICF are completely above his head.

However, if you think you can get through to him, that should be quite a spectacle.

I'll be in the peanut gallery throwing husks.

Rolfe.
 
Anders,

This thread is nothing at all to do with homeopathy and was started by Kumar to ask questions about diabetes. I for one do not intend to change the topic of this thread.
 
Rolfe said:
Important question about diabetes.

This is the first (or one of the first) threads Kumar started the first day he came here. You can see we've gone right back to square 1. You can also see how little note Kumar has taken of anything anyone told him.

Kumar has an agenda here, as always. This time, he believes he has made some sort of observation about diabetes based on the case of his "friend" (now confirmed to be Kumar himself), which all the diabetologists in the world have missed. He believes it is his duty to alert science and medicine to his great discovery, so that the wrong treatment they have been giving up till now can be corrected. To be more specific, he's utterly convinced that excess insulin administration can cause insulin resistance. And no amount of contrary evidence will sway him at all.

Can anybody spell "hubris"?

So that's what you're in for. More and more pages where the medics carefully explain the very well-understood biochemistry of type II diabetes to Kumar, and try to understand his virtually undocumented observations and irrational conclusions. And Kumar flatly rejects all information that might suggest he's not quite got the right end of the stick.

That's all. Carry on, folks.

Rolfe.
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Nothing is like that as agenda, I just want to check if 'new research, new consideration or new aspect-salt.

Btw, do you now agree that in some cases both low & excess medications can result both hyper & hypo glycemia or not?

I can be, but how you recognised"(now confirmed to be Kumar himself)",? :)
 
Sarah-I said:
Anders,

This thread is nothing at all to do with homeopathy and was started by Kumar to ask questions about diabetes. I for one do not intend to change the topic of this thread.
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Anders was not asking you to change the subject of this thread. He was asking you to go back to some of the many threads on homoeopathy which you abanoned with unanswered questions and unsatisfactory explanations, and which have sunk down the pile due to a lack of homoeopath input, and try to answer some of the outstanding points on these.

I'm sure you can find them.

Rolfe.
 
For certain substances to enter the cells to be utilised by them, they need protein carriers to do this. Ways of doing this are Active Transport. Active Transport uses what is known as the Sodium/Potassium Pump and substances move from an area of low concentration to an area of high concentration against a concentration gradient.
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http://users.rcn.com/jkimball.ma.ultranet/BiologyPages/D/Diffusion.html#indirect

This site gives a relatively simple account of the mechanisms for transporting Ions and Molecules across a cell membrane.
 
Kumar,

If you have a diabetic patient and they are not given tablets to take or insulin injections then yes, they will be hyperglygaemic. A very high blood sugar and this can be seen in a diabetic patient perhaps, before they are diagnosed. Normally the case in Type 1, Insulin dependant diabetes. They will be extremely thirsty and this thirst is extreme. They will be polyuric and they will lose weight rapidly. The weight loss is due to the fact that there is no insulin around to be utilised by the cells, so rather than using glucose for energy, they have to burn fat stores for energy. Once insulin is administered, a healthy balance can be found.

The other is possible too. If too much insulin is injected, and not enough food is eaten, then a person will become hypoglycaemic with all its resultant complications.

In a normal person who does not have diabetes of any kind, then injecting insulin can kill them.

The answer to your question Kumar is YES. Diabetics who are either under or over medicated can become either hypo or hyper glycaemic.
 
Thank you for the link Prester. It is good, however I do already know this. I was just trying to keep it simple for Kumar's benefit.
 
Sarah-I said:
The answer to your question Kumar is YES. Diabetics who are either under or over medicated can become either hypo or hyper glycaemic.
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Be careful, Sarah. What you have said is of course absolutely correct, and may be better understod by Kumar for being put in such elementary terms.

However, what Kumar believes is that too much insulin can cause hyperglycaemia. Unless it is made perfectly clear to him that too much insulin causes a too-low blood glucose, and too little insulin causes a too-high blood glucose, he will asume that you have just confirmed the reverse.

Rolfe.
 
*sigh* :rolleyes:----

Kumar said:
1. Is it possible that diabetic medications for increase in insulin levels as oral medicines, injected insulin etc., can cause/result persistant increase in blood sugar levels under certain conditions eg. Pre-diabetic stages, Insulin Resistance etc.?

Barring some kind of gross fault in medication and/or dosage, the answer is no.

2. Is there any relation between common salt & blood sugar?

No direct relation.

Can salt or salty fried snacks taken in excess quantity or accumulated salt can raise blood sugar levels, substancially?

Excess salt consumption can lead to hypertension, which is often associated with increased blood glucose (BG), however if taken with snacks, the increase in lipids is more likely to be the cause. There is a connection between lipids and BG.

Salt & sugar(some other may be as Mg) both seems to be related to water attracting & retaining properties.

A dehydrated condition may lead to raised BG, but excess salt does, somewhat counterintuitively, not lead to dehydration, although symptoms are similar.

It has been noted that taking excess salt/salty snacks in excess raises BS levels after 3/6 days (not instantly) & reversed on reducing salt intake. How it can happen?

The timescale suggests a lipid connection.
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As for your first question, soem things need to be cleared up.

Oral medicines are almost all for insulin sentisizing, which means that they will normally LOWER blood insulin (because less is needed). In early type 2 diabetes it is normal to find increased insulin levels, and this will of course be raised further if insulin is administered. However, administering insulin against insulin insensitivity is, at best, an emergency measure.

Hans
 
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Benguin said:
I always wondered what was raising your BS levels.
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;).

The correct term, btw, is not blood sugar, but blood glucose (BG), but that would defuse the joke somewhat...

Hans
 
Sarah-I said:
Thank you for the link Prester. It is good, however I do already know this. I was just trying to keep it simple for Kumar's benefit.
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Oh, of course, Sarah. :rolleyes:
 
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MRC_Hans said:
;).

The correct term, btw, is not blood sugar, but blood glucose (BG), but that would defuse the joke somewhat...

Hans
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BullGit has a ring to it.

Sarah, the reason for the Homeopathy references is that Kumar normally uses this tactic to propose some sort of homeopathic tissue replacement salt therapy, that I strongly suspect even you would find hard to swallow.

He may not have mentioned it yet, but that's where he usually takes it.

So concentrate on the threads others kindly bumped. And define 'Classical' in the context of homeopathy for me somewhere, if you please.
 
I believe that Barb has already defined this for you in another thread however, as far as I am concerned, Classical homeopathy means giving remedies in accordance with both Hahnemann and Kentian principles, being one remedy at a time and not mixing remedies and waiting long enough to see what a remedy does.
 
What is it with these broken records? Do the woos think we'll all suddenly get stupid?

I propose we all come up with some hypothesis on this, and analyze it in great detail over and over and over again.
 
Sarah-I said:
I believe that Barb has already defined this for you in another thread however, as far as I am concerned, Classical homeopathy means giving remedies in accordance with both Hahnemann and Kentian principles, being one remedy at a time and not mixing remedies and waiting long enough to see what a remedy does.
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Even if the patient dies? Do you see a need to revise this statement just a tad? Do you see a conflict with your previous assertions about chronic and acute conditions?
 
No it does not conflict at all. I am talking about the treatment of chronic cases. Acute cases differ slightly, in that a full case need not always be taken and there is a need to get a remedy in there quickly. Repetition of dose will be more frequent with an acute case too. The one dose that I am talking about refers to the treatment of chronic cases. An acute case will probably need more than one dose of an indicated remedy.
 
Sarah-I said:
No it does not conflict at all. I am talking about the treatment of chronic cases. Acute cases differ slightly, in that a full case need not always be taken and there is a need to get a remedy in there quickly. Repetition of dose will be more frequent with an acute case too. The one dose that I am talking about refers to the treatment of chronic cases. An acute case will probably need more than one dose of an indicated remedy.
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Does that mean with realy acute cases(death going to happen in less than 1 minute) classical homeopathy cannot be used?

What sort of homeopathy can be used then?

Carn
 
Sarah-I said:
No it does not conflict at all. I am talking about the treatment of chronic cases. Acute cases differ slightly, in that a full case need not always be taken and there is a need to get a remedy in there quickly. Repetition of dose will be more frequent with an acute case too. The one dose that I am talking about refers to the treatment of chronic cases. An acute case will probably need more than one dose of an indicated remedy.
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So, what is the basic premise here? You need to see if the remedy works in a chronic case because you don't know whether it will or not? Yet you claim acute cases can be treated, which implies you know the remedy will work. Which is it, do you know remedies work or do you have to tinker with each one. Why is one different from the other? Are the remedies somehow endowed with a sense of urgency and failure-is-not-an-option in the case of acute cases and not so endowed in the case of chronic cases? How on earth is that so?
 
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