Question about the supernatural act

[thatguywhojuggles]

Re: \/\/ALTER

You've been juggling too many balls, if you ask me.

a-ve-ry-bo-ring-way-to-re-pe-at-my-se-lf-at-all-the-ot-her-800-+-posts I've made here.

I'm sure the sceptics community is thrilled with all your contributions, though. So, keep on going Walter, something tells me youre going strong.

Rgds.,
Aster.

To win an argument it helps to gain the respect of those you are debating. Insulting them does little for your effort.

But all in all, if you ask me, you can never juggle too many balls.

 

[Aster]

Juggler:

To win an argument it helps to gain the respect of those you are debating. Insulting them does little for your effort.

I appologize. I was bored and took your words personal.

Rgds.,
Aster.

 

[thaiboxerken]

If you want to believe in the supernatural, go ahead. But, skeptics will not believe in such nonsense unless evidence is presented.

 

[Powa]

If you want to believe in the supernatural, go ahead. But, skeptics will not believe in such nonsense unless evidence is presented.

So far it hasn't been and it won't ever be, because even if this premonition of Aster's were the real thing, it was a one-shot event thus not provable. All we can do is debate it without conclusions.

BTW Aster, how do you explain the mechanism for you to get the information about your brothers death in advance? Where did it come from?

 

[thaiboxerken]

All we can do is debate it without conclusions.

I think it's rather pointless to debate the "reality" of an unfalsifiable claim such as this. It's about as productive as debating whether or not I really did create the universe before I lost all of my godly powers.

 

[Powa]

I think it's rather pointless to debate the "reality" of an unfalsifiable claim such as this. It's about as productive as debating whether or not I really did create the universe before I lost all of my godly powers.

If you really did create the universe, you really should've tried harder on people of Earth. You made too many strange ones...

 

[Aster]

thaiboxerken

If you want to believe in the supernatural, go ahead. But, skeptics will not believe in such nonsense unless evidence is presented.

Does that mean that skeptics will become religiously or spiritually engaged as soon as the supernatural is presented by evidence ?

Anyway, you try and prove to anyone here that last night you dreamed that you were walking on the beach with a strange dog, and that this dog just saved a child from drowning.

Noone in the world has any good reason not to believe you, let alone ask you for the evidence that you say is nescessary to substantiate the experience. Not nescessary, it's a normal position to be in.

Now, years after your dream, this exact same dog walks into your life and soon after it is all over the papers how it saved a child from drowning on the beach where you were walking it.

What is your position now ? Disposition! You're on your own now, because you cannot prove your dream. And it will not pay for you to seek support with your skeptic friends; they don't believe in such nonsense unless you present evidence.

Rgds.,
Aster.

 

[NullPointerException]

Aster, talking with other human beings is generally useless. They are prone to random emotional assessments of validity and attribute meaning to things based on asserted causality. That being said, if an audience has to be treated like children to be talked to what makes them worth talking to?

P.S. This is not hypocritical because I am actually an alien! I just havn't applied for the 1 million because as someone with a power that can be substantiated I am running numerous faith based scams that net me millions in a weak, bwahahahahahaha.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Does that mean that skeptics will become religiously or spiritually engaged as soon as the supernatural is presented by evidence ?

No, it doesn't necessarily follow that one must worship something that they know to exist. It will just be something further studied and appreciated. If there is evidence that spirituality and religion offers something of value, then the skeptics might become spiritual or religious. Also, if the god of the christian bible is shown to exist with evidence, I doubt many skeptics would start worshipping such a being. I mean.. if the bible is evidence of it's behavior, such a thing should be fought against.

Anyway, you try and prove to anyone here that last night you dreamed that you were walking on the beach with a strange dog, and that this dog just saved a child from drowning.

Why would I do that? I had no such dream.

No one in the world has any good reason not to believe you, .. it's a normal position to be in...years after your dream, this exact same dog walks into your life and soon after it is all over the papers how it saved a child from drowning on the beach where you were walking it.

What is your position now ? Disposition! You're on your own now, because you cannot prove your dream. And it will not pay for you to seek support with your skeptic friends; they don't believe in such nonsense unless you present evidence.

And....... why does it follow that such a coincidence is evidence of the supernatural? Here are a few explanations that require no supernatural suppositions. You must rule out all the mundane explanations before entertaining the paranormal ones.

1. You are fabricating the dream and the story. IE.. you are a liar.

2. You read about the kid and dog in the papers and you retroactively placed these events in your memory of the strange dream. For instance, the dog and kid in your original dream were completely different in appearance in manner in your dream until the moment you read the paper.. in which your dream dog and kid became the real ones.

3. It's just a coincidence.


Until you can factor out these three mundane explanations (there are probably more than this), I will not believe that you have premonitions.

Your skeptic friends are justified for doubting you.

Next time you have a dream that you think might be a premonition, announce and document it with details BEFORE it comes true. Prophecies told AFTER they happen aren't impressive in the slightest.

 

[Powa]

Does that mean that skeptics will become religiously or spiritually engaged as soon as the supernatural is presented by evidence?

No. Religion is not required when a supernatural phenomenon is proven. If proven, it can no longer be considered supernatural. It would be just an addition to our existing knowledge.

 

[Aster]

BTW Aster, how do you explain the mechanism for you to get the information about your brothers death in advance? Where did it come from?

That's a bottom line question... I'll try to be as helpful as I can. For one, the mechanism is that which induces autonomous ideomotoric intelligence in a man. And thát, in my case, is an obsessive intelligent presence, alter ego or transpersonality or the mirror me.

Where did it come from ? A point beyond the borders of physical life and death. And it is still there you see; I am it and it is me, it's like we grew up together.

I can still remember how I struggled for years with something that I knew grew inside me, took part of my mind and body, and hence behaved like an inner presence that I distinctly felt dissociated with, however was tied to. Unable to sense it in any other way than the distinct obsessive, occuping and alter ego, hence alien presence; the stressful and in some way very disruptive mind and body feeling and the chronically physical, mental and emotional consequences óf its presence.

Rgds.,
Aster.

 

[thaiboxerken]

" And thát, in my case, is an obsessive intelligent presence, alter ego or transpersonality or the mirror me. "

Have you told this to a therapist yet?

 

[Aster]

Have you told this to a therapist yet?

Yes, but this has not been conclusive.
Besides, I am a therapist myself.

Rgds.,
Aster.

 

[Aster]

No. Religion is not required when a supernatural phenomenon is proven. If proven, it can no longer be considered supernatural. It would be just an addition to our existing knowledge.

That's what I have been saying all along. So, the supernatural act is per definition a religious or spiritual occurence as long as it is not a proven thing. In fact, a supernatural act does not exist other than through religious and spiritual awareness and seizes to exist as an addition to our existing knowledge once proven by science.

Rgds.,
Aster.

 

[Powa]

Besides, I am a therapist myself.

Hm... A therapist who believes in supernatural? This is potentialy dangerous for patients. What I mean is, for example, when a patient tells you they had visions or premonitions, you believe them rather than try to discover and treat possible mental illness.

 

[TheBoyPaj]

About David Mandell:

Please guide me to a website presentation of his art. I cannot find anything on this person.

I am not aware of such a thing. You can read a mini review of the TV documentary to which I refer: http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/s2.cfm?id=377752003

About Randi's appearance on the show
What did he say ?

He stated the opinion that many of the paintings are open to interpretation, and that Mr Mandell has been selectively picking his results. Some experiments were also performed to see if test subjects would favour some alternative interpretation. The results were in favour of Mr Mandell's interpretation. However, I am of the opinion that if you ask someone if a picture of two skyscrapers in flame are a depiction of the World Trade Center attack or of some other event, I'd wager they're always going to say the former.

Which persons/artists are in this supposed qeue ?

I don't know, since they do not write to me with their claims. Looking at the evidence I'd also say you were also behind TENYEARS.

 

[Aster]

Hm... A therapist who believes in supernatural? This is potentialy dangerous for patients. What I mean is, for example, when a patient tells you they had visions or premonitions, you believe them rather than try to discover and treat possible mental illness.

I am working as an eclectic psychotherapist using hypnosis, regression and NLP. I am not a psychiatrist or clinical psychologist. Nothing that I personally believe or value interferes with the therapeutic process. I do respect the ways in which my clients view reality.

Rgds.,
Aster.

 

[thaiboxerken]

I think that you should see a psychiatrist or psychnologist yourself. I also think that you should stop "helping" people with your hypnosis, regression and NLP methods. It's highly possible that you are causing more harm and damage to the people you are "treating" than helping.

What you are doing is ethically wrong, and it might be legally wrong as well.

Please, before you continue "helping" people, ask a medical professional if you are fit to do so, and/or qualified.

 

[Aster]

He stated the opinion that many of the paintings are open to interpretation, and that Mr Mandell has been selectively picking his results. Some experiments were also performed to see if test subjects would favour some alternative interpretation. The results were in favour of Mr Mandell's interpretation. However, I am of the opinion that if you ask someone if a picture of two skyscrapers in flame are a depiction of the World Trade Center attack or of some other event, I'd wager they're always going to say the former.

Very interesting. I also read this at a website: "James Randi, at the end of the show, seemed genuinely interested and invited the man to take on the JREF’s $1m challenge. I hope he agrees, because I’d like to see more." read this
Rgds.,
Aster.

 

[Aster]

I think that you should see a psychiatrist or psychnologist yourself. I also think that you should stop "helping" people with your hypnosis, regression and NLP methods. It's highly possible that you are causing more harm and damage to the people you are "treating" than helping.

And what do YOU know ? You are allowed to think what you want but please don't patronize me and insult me with regards to my profession. You obviously don't have a clue what you are talking about but moreover you bluntly misuse whatever information drops in front of your nose just for the sake of satisfying your personal need to critisize and be cynical.

Rgds.,
Aster.