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putting together a mentalist act

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Since someone brought up mentalism, i thought we should start a thread about putting together a mentalist act. This is something I am doing.

RIght now I have 3 effects whihc I am scripting and working out. I have performed them at comedy open mikes.

I am doing 2 memorized deck effects and a trick I got off a Max Maven DVD. 1 effect is the Chan Canasta 2 cards in pocket revelation and card calling.

I have seen ayou tube of Derren Brown doing the effect I got from Max Maven's DVDs. There are 5 rocks in a bag, 1 is off color and your able to figure out who has the off color effect. This one is weak but its my presentation. I am reworking it.
 
Let me offer the following suggestion.

Perform a drawing duplication effect using the gimmicked pad technique "exposed" by the so-called Masked Magician.

Then show the audience how the effect is done. Explain how they can fool their friends.

Then perform the effect again, but this time let the spectator keep the pad. Mention that if the spectator continues to hold onto the pad, there is no way you could possibly duplicate his drawing.... And yet you do! (There are a lot of ways to do this, and one of the simplest techniques takes advantage of the fact thst the audience thinks it knows the secret.)
 
Ahhhhh the Penn and Teller ploy as I like to call it. Yes James Randi probably uses such a ploy but P&T are more famous. Not nearly as famous as T&A but Vegas is more know for T&A than P&T.

Its not bad idea actually. I did not see the method exposed by the masked magician. Is there a you tube?
 
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Perform a drawing duplication effect using the gimmicked pad technique "exposed" by the so-called Masked Magician.

Then show the audience how the effect is done. Explain how they can fool their friends


There are a few differences between a magic show and a 'mentalist' (or mentalism) show. One of the bigger differences is that virtually all normal intelligent people leave a magic show knowing that it's not 'real' while many of those same people leave a mentalism show not sure if it was 'real'.

If you start using that type of sucker/exposure trick, it's no longer a mentalist show. Nothing wrong with that, and many magicians doing magic shows include 'mentalist ' effects. But they're still magic shows and not mentalist shows.
 
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that is true to an extent. If you portray yourself as psychic but expose 1 method and repeat the effect using a different method, you could portray the 2nd method as actual psychic powers. I wouldn't do that but its all in how you frame it.
 
Ahhhhh the Penn and Teller ploy as I like to call it. Yes James Randi probably uses such a ploy but P&T are more famous. Not nearly as famous as T&A but Vegas is more know for T&A than P&T.

Its not bad idea actually. I did not see the method exposed by the masked magician. Is there a you tube?
I don't know about YouTube, but I expect the show will be rerun over the summer.

I won't disclose all of the details of the method, but it involved a gimmicked notepad with carbon paper, and the secret required the performer to take back the notepad from the spectator.

You can do what the Masked Schmuck did, showing the gimmick. Then repeat the trick by giving the spectator another notepad (or ripping the gimmick out of the original pad) and having the spectator make another drawing. The spectator can check the notepad for gimmicks and keeps the pad after making the second drawing.

Naturally, you explain while casually scribbling something on a clipboard, the spectator can foul things up by using an "honest" notepad AND by hanging on to the notepad.

Who could dIsagree with that?

Yet when the spectator reveals his drawing and you show what you scribbled on your clipboard, you will have accomplished a mental miracle.
 
I want to do a book test with the Origin of Species in front of an audience. Is there a way to pass out an ungimmkicked book into the audience and get the word? Is there a way to force one of several pages?
 
I want to do a book test with the Origin of Species in front of an audience. Is there a way to pass out an ungimmkicked book into the audience and get the word? Is there a way to force one of several pages?
There are LOTS of ways to do this. The Hoy book test is a good way, and it involves no gimmicks except another ungimmicked book. I've seen some performers use a planted dollar bill or a Svengali deck to force a page. There is a book force with a gimmicked envelope shown in the Mark Wilson book, I believe. Richard Osterlind's videos show many techiques, one of which entails considerable preparation in that the TEXT isn't gimmicked, but the COVER is.
 
doesn't the hoy book test need the audience member to come up on stage?
Not necessarily, but (if memory serves) some sort of audience participation is really helpful to sell the effect.

If you do the effect without audience participation, it will work, but the audience will smell a rat. A little audience participation provides all the psychological cover you will need.

Richard Osterlind does a version in which he uses one or two audience members as proxies for the entire audience (which is, as you know, a standard mentalist technique). The effect could be done off the stage by, for example, distributing one book to a one of the further-back rows and using the front row audience members as proxies. The benefit of using the audience members as proxies is that the rest of the audience thinks the whole bit is fair, when in fact, the dirty work is performed right in front of the proxy but the proxy never suspects it. You don't have to hoodwink the whole audience, you only have to hoodwink the proxy, and Osterlind shows that hoodwinking the proxy is very easy to do.

The audience assumes that the proxy is satisfied that the test is fair, and therefore the audience assumes that the test actually is fair.

By the way, I checked and confirmed that Mark Wilson does indeed describe the gimmicked envelope technique, but he does not do it in the mentalism section of his book. Instead, he describes it in a trick pertaining to "Genie cards."
 
(book tests are boring to watch... audience participation is the key to any good show) a good show runs like this .....Massive opener (catch the audience from the start) moderate effects here (massive effect before interval where you finish on a cliff hanger)(like any good soap opera the audience wait to see the answers)(after the cliff hanger stunt ends give the audience a fake explanation of how you did the stunt (any good psychological performer will know what i mean) 'a few more fillers' and an explosive finish where the whole show seems like it was predicted before you even walked into the building and involves a mass portion of the audience .....Take a standing ovation!
 
(book tests are boring to watch... audience participation is the key to any good show) a good show runs like this .....Massive opener (catch the audience from the start) moderate effects here (massive effect before interval where you finish on a cliff hanger)(like any good soap opera the audience wait to see the answers)(after the cliff hanger stunt ends give the audience a fake explanation of how you did the stunt (any good psychological performer will know what i mean) 'a few more fillers' and an explosive finish where the whole show seems like it was predicted before you even walked into the building and involves a mass portion of the audience .....Take a standing ovation!
That's one way, but I think not the most common, nor the way of most mentalists. Osterlind doesn't work that way. Chuck Hickock specifically avoids your method. Max Maven is different. Watch a full Derren Brown stage show, and I think you'll find it plays differently.

In regard to Book Tests specifically, they are as boring as the skills of the mentalist. Everything is boring if presented poorly and exciting if presented properly.
 
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On a lark I put together a mentalism act to perform for pagans at a family oriented Beltaine festival that happens to be a yearly event close to my house. I practiced and had a solid fifteen/twenty-five minute routine. My best affect was my finale. Pieces of paper were handed out to the crowd, the crowd was asked to write a visual image. I picked an easy on the eyes spectator to pick a piece of paper out of the bowl they were placed in. The young lady and I stood back to back as she drew the picture on a clip board as I did the same on my clip board. We both had pictures of black cats with witch's hats at the end!

It was right out of a Banacheck video. It worked very well.

I did that once and it worked brilliantly. I did other things once that worked but I could have done them better with more experience. This trick was bang the first time. I recommend it - as someone who who has a one mentalist performance (with a large audience) under his belt.
 
On a lark I put together a mentalism act to perform for pagans at a family oriented Beltaine festival that happens to be a yearly event close to my house. I practiced and had a solid fifteen/twenty-five minute routine. My best affect was my finale. Pieces of paper were handed out to the crowd, the crowd was asked to write a visual image. I picked an easy on the eyes spectator to pick a piece of paper out of the bowl they were placed in. The young lady and I stood back to back as she drew the picture on a clip board as I did the same on my clip board. We both had pictures of black cats with witch's hats at the end!

It was right out of a Banacheck video. It worked very well.

I did that once and it worked brilliantly. I did other things once that worked but I could have done them better with more experience. This trick was bang the first time. I recommend it - as someone who who has a one mentalist performance (with a large audience) under his belt.
The Banachek version is good (although I had some quibbles about the patter, and there was a risk of pulling someone out of the audience who might mess up the effect), but there's a similar effect on one of Richard Osterlind's videos that involves a little less risk of mess-up AND that can be readily performed simultaneously with two spectators (and two different drawings).

I have given speeches in which I end with mentalist effects. I've done one effect that is number-based and one newspaper prediction trick. The number trick turns out to be nearly sure-fire, and the newspaper trick is SUPPOSED to be sure-fire. The first two times I performed the newspaper trick, however, the trick got messed up, in ways that I never foresaw. On one of the occasions, I was able to recover.

There were differences between the tricks. One of them was introduced (not by me, but by the person introducing me) as a magic trick, which immediately put the spectators into a suspicious mode. A better introduction is to say that it is an "experiment," or "I would like to try something," and avoid the use of the word "trick."

Another difference between the two tricks is the degree of audience interaction. In the number trick, the spectator has to ORALLY give me a number from a particular range of numbers AND NOTHING ELSE. In the newspaper trick, the spectator has to give me a number IN WRITING from a particular range of numbers AND some other modest information. It may not seem like much, but these little extra pieces of information, plus the introduction of writing, can cause all sorts of trouble, especially if a spectator is paranoid or wants to be a wise guy. Some spectators try to hide what they've written, others have crappy handwriting, others can't seem to comply with simple directions beyond doing one thing.

Perhaps there is a mentalist's axiom that, the more you give the spectator to do, the more likely there is to be a foul-up.
 
i completely agree that any effect is relevant if it has been put across and performed elequantly but i find book tests a lil standard.... im playing with the use of a book as part of a finish to my shows.....EFFECT: 'a locked brief case is left with a member of the audience throughout the show (who is to think of a random 4 digit number not to tell anyone or write it down) (when the shows coming to a finish) after having a discussion about a famous numerologist named pythagorus who was of the belief that everything has numerical relasions and it is up to the mind to seek and investigate the secrets of these relationships or have them revealed by divining grace, (explaining that after the best part of 6 months work and after losing weeks of sleep and becoming obsessed with digits the penny dropped i become to understand what he meant and i came up with this idea to translate my findings and share with you some of these secrets) i ask 4 members of the audience (chose by random with a foam ball) come to the stage and right down the the first 2 digits in there d.o.b (the day) and then 3 random digits (to make a 5 digit number) (then the person with the brief case comes to the stage totals the numbers (i never touch the pad) which comes to 'whatever number' and that figure is wrote in full view of the audience she is now asked to select a book from an extensive range and state aloud the 4 digit number she is thinking and then turn to the page corresponding to that number, look at any word, and lock it in her mind. (the audience is then to think of a number from one to ten and after i have gone through the numbers one by one they raise their hands (to show which number they thought of) and the number with the most votes we will use e.g '6' (now she is to write the word down she thought of, which firstly happens to be '6' letters long and after totalling the value of each letter (for example a=1 b=2 c=3 ,,,) that also equals to the same value as the number the audience picked (6). i then state 'if you believe this to be some sort of coincidence you would be wrong turning my attention to the briefcase i ask the subject to use the 6 digit number that was the total of the 4 random peoples bday's and random 3 digit number to open the case (it opens) inside is the word that the subject picked from the choice of multiple books, thousands of pages and billions of words, my certificate of birth which is the combination to the briefcase and also the total of the 4, 5 digit numbers made up of the birthdate and random digits chosen by 4 random members of the audience! (then i close).... (no stooges or actors completely random choices no gimmicks employed) (i dont know if that constitutes as a book test) but i would like to know your thinking opinions please (just before anyone points out i know the number wont be '6' as does anyone that has an understanding of natural selection) ;) pete
 
Another difference between the two tricks is the degree of audience interaction. In the number trick, the spectator has to ORALLY give me a number from a particular range of numbers AND NOTHING ELSE. In the newspaper trick, the spectator has to give me a number IN WRITING from a particular range of numbers AND some other modest information. It may not seem like much, but these little extra pieces of information, plus the introduction of writing, can cause all sorts of trouble, especially if a spectator is paranoid or wants to be a wise guy. Some spectators try to hide what they've written, others have crappy handwriting, others can't seem to comply with simple directions beyond doing one thing.

Perhaps there is a mentalist's axiom that, the more you give the spectator to do, the more likely there is to be a foul-up.

i agree with giving them as simple commands as possible, i hate dealing with bits of paper unless extremely relivant (they are known as a visual compromise) if subjects are told to calculate numbers i give them a calculator and tell them to let the person next to them double check the clculations (2 heads are better than one lol) when they are to write something i tell them to write it in block capitals so everyone in the audience can clearly see what it says (notice i never metioned me there ;) ) i also prefer drawing an image towards myself (so they cant see what it is) and tell them to hold it face down (ask me a couple of yes no questions (you dont have to do this but it lets the audience see the 'process' of mindreading) and they just say aloud whats in there mind, looks and sounds impossible and is there is no way they can come up with the method....with a visual compromise like a billet of paper even if a utility switch isnt employed or a peek (a layman) can write it off as that in their mind ruining a massive effect pete
 

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