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The Carl Miller expose

snoop4truth said:
...MY RESPONSE: If he were just another fraud, I would have no interest in him either. But, he is not just another fraud. This guy genuinely comes off rational, educated, believable, knowledgeable and entirely credible...
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No, he does not!



Does "Champion" know your personal details? Then I wouldn't worry about it. Slobberin' Citizens tend to be not so good with the whole "Tech" thing.
 
Elagabalus said:
No, he does not!



Does "Champion" know your personal details? Then I wouldn't worry about it. Slobberin' Citizens tend to be not so good with the whole "Tech" thing.
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I like what you did there.

Many years ago I had a serious case of the ass against an individual who I had a bad encounter with and popped up in the media here and there.

I endeavoured to inform folks that the individual in question was a documented & proven 18 carat gold liar/scammer/fraudster.

Other than myself and a couple of other folks nobody gas about what this guy had done or what he was doing.

Lesson learned.

FTR, for somebody that might be interested:

Scot Tracy Barnes, He has this "Miller" guy beat 10 different ways and he's still running around loose.
 
BStrong said:
Snoop -

Obviously this is an important issue to you, but to the public at large it doesn't rate much, if any, interest.

You'd be better off posting this material in venues where Miller plies his trade.
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Hello BStrong,

Thank you for your response.

YOUR COMMENT: Obviously this is an important issue to you...

MY RESPONSE: Yes. Charlatans, like this guy, make my blood boil.
YOUR COMMENT: but to the public at large it doesn't rate much, if any, interest.

MY RESPONSE: Agreed. Those with an interest these expose's are the sovereign citizen/militia types (who believe the claims of such charlatans and who hate these expose's) and their polar opposite, academic/skeptic types (who do not believe these charlatans and who love these expose's). Examples:
Ed Mann3 weeks ago (edited)

Thank you Virgo! Thank you Snoop! Amazing research, I can’t imagine the amount of time spent debunking each Tavares hoax, and it’s almost impossible to imagine how much time she’s spent developing all of her hoaxes. Insane.

Joseph Hasson1 day ago

Virgo and Snoop4truth, another well done piece, thank you.
lisa bailey2 days ago

You're good snoop. Way to go. Love this.
Ed Mann2 weeks ago (edited)

Great presentation Virgo and research, Snoop. Thank you.
Joseph Hasson3 weeks ago

Thank you Snoop4Truth and Virgo, very well done and informative.
Joseph Hasson1 day ago

Virgo and Snoop4Thuth, another well done piece, thank you.
YOUR COMMENT: You'd be better off posting this material in venues where Miller plies his trade

MY RESPONSE: That is normally what I do first. But, Carl Miller (AKA Richard John Champion) does not have a website. His hoaxes are depicted in YouTube videos. So, in his case, I have posted similar info (or links to similar info) on websites that refer to him and his hoaxes.
But remember, I am not just trying to "out" Carl Miller, I am looking for partners and allies among fellow skeptics and academics who do similar work. I cannot be the only one doing this. There has to be others somewhere and there is strength in numbers.

Thanks again for you response.

Snoop
 
theprestige said:
Or launching a StopCarl.com website.
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Greetings theprestige,

YOUR COMMENT: Or launching a StopCarl.com website.

MY RESPONSE: I have two goals. One is to find partners and allies with whom I might join forces. The other is to "out" these charlatans TO THEIR OWN FOLLOWERS. Here's the problem. The mindless followers of these charlatans do not go to debunking websites. They only go to sites that they know will validate their own belief systems. The last thing they want is to have their belief systems destroyed by the truth. So, they avoid the truth (and truth websites) at all costs.
This is the reason that I do not have a website of my own (my target readers would not go there) and the reason I take my work straight into the lion's den (sovereign citizen and militia websites). Obviously, my work is not welcome there, but because I back my work with proof, my work cannot be dismissed as lie. That is why I incorporate detailed proof in all of my work (as if it were a case in court).
Regardless, thanks for the suggestion.

Snoop
 
Elagabalus said:
No, he does not!



Does "Champion" know your personal details? Then I wouldn't worry about it. Slobberin' Citizens tend to be not so good with the whole "Tech" thing.
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Hello Elagabalus,

YOUR COMMENT: No, he does not!

MY RESPONSE: Not to skeptics and scholars of your caliber. But, to the average, functionally-illiterate, unemployed, high school drop-out with an AR-15 and a criminal record, this guy comes off like he walks on water. Read the comments below his videos on YouTube.

YOUR COMMENT: Does "Champion" know your personal details?

MY RESPONSE: No.

YOUR COMMENT: Then I wouldn't worry about it. Slobberin' Citizens tend to be not so good with the whole "Tech" thing.

MY RESPONSE: One can only hope.

Best Regards,

Snoop
 
BStrong said:
I like what you did there.

Many years ago I had a serious case of the ass against an individual who I had a bad encounter with and popped up in the media here and there.

I endeavoured to inform folks that the individual in question was a documented & proven 18 carat gold liar/scammer/fraudster.

Other than myself and a couple of other folks nobody gas about what this guy had done or what he was doing.

Lesson learned.

FTR, for somebody that might be interested:

Scot Tracy Barnes, He has this "Miller" guy beat 10 different ways and he's still running around loose.
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Greetings again BStrong,

YOUR COMMENT: I like what you did there.

MY RESPONSE: Thanks. I have all of the supporting criminal and court records. But, they are on paper only and not available online. So, I'll have to figure out a way to provide links to scans of them.

YOUR COMMENT: Many years ago I had a serious case of the ass against an individual who I had a bad encounter with and popped up in the media here and there.

I endeavoured to inform folks that the individual in question was a documented & proven 18 carat gold liar/scammer/fraudster.

Other than myself and a couple of other folks nobody gas about what this guy had done or what he was doing.

Lesson learned.

MY RESPONSE: I would have cared. That is what partners and allies are for. Got links to the media about him?

YOUR COMMENT: FTR, for somebody that might be interested:

Scot Tracy Barnes, He has this "Miller" guy beat 10 different ways and he's still running around loose.

MY RESPONSE: Do you an expose' written up on Barnes similar to my expose' on Carl Miller/Richard John Champion? If so, I would love to read it. If you have a good starting point, I may be able to help. Does he have a criminal record? A court record? Are there videos posted of him peddling his scam? Is he still active in the scamming business? Has he written any documents reflecting his scams? Please let me know.

All The Best,

Snoop
 
HIGHLIGHTS OF CARL MILLER'S COURTROOM VICTORIES: ALL PUBLIC RECORD DOCUMENTS

Carl Miller Highlights Part 1.pdf (5.34 MB, 0 views)
Carl Miller Highlights Part 2.pdf (6.54 MB, 0 views)
Carl Miller Highlights Part 3.pdf (6.30 MB, 0 views)
 
snoop4truth said:
MY RESPONSE: Do you an expose' written up on Barnes similar to my expose' on Carl Miller/Richard John Champion? If so, I would love to read it. If you have a good starting point, I may be able to help. Does he have a criminal record? A court record? Are there videos posted of him peddling his scam? Is he still active in the scamming business? Has he written any documents reflecting his scams? Please let me know.

All The Best,

Snoop
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Other's did it for me:

https://www.newsweek.com/strange-tales-mr-barnes-196798

Among the hucksters, mercenaries and information peddlers who people the shadowy world of Vietnam POW investigations, Scott Barnes may be the biggest tale spinner of them all. Discharged from the U.S. Army in 1974, the Arizona dress-shop owner and conspiracy theorist has spent the last 18 years peddling espionage stories and derring-do accounts of rescue missions to forgotten corners of Indochina. Many government officials and reporters have dismissed him as a crank, but Barnes has his following. Now he's bagged his biggest prize yet: Ross Perot, a man with a predilection for conspiracy theories himself. In a recent "60 Minutes" interview, Perot said that he dropped out of the race this summer not solely because he didn't want to be a spoiler but also to foil GOP dirty tricksters. His sources, said Perot, were two unnamed, high-placed Republicans-and one Scott Barnes.

https://www.newtimesslo.com/archive/2004-04-07/cover/index.html

At first glance, Scott Barnes looked like a man with something important to offer: a wide array of globetrotting experiences, for example, and expertise in complex investigations and military disciplines. He was retired, with lots of free time. And he apparently had independent resources.

Barnes popped up recently at meetings of a citizens' oversight committee that is forming to examine SLO County Sheriff's Department policies and procedures. He has in recent months also spent a great deal of time at his own expense looking into the 2002 GHB-related death of Cal Poly student Brian Gillis, a 19-year-old Sigma Chi fraternity member.

In both endeavors, Barnes was making genuine progress. His assistance was welcomed.

He reportedly told Patricia Gillis, Brian's mother, that he was a retired private investigator and others that he was a former federal investigator for numerous agencies including the FBI. He told New Times he specialized in probing the circumstances of suspicious workplace deaths involving youth.

Penny Harrington thought she smelled a rat.

https://calcoastnews.com/2009/06/con-man-misleads-hertel-fowler-bankruptcy-trustee/

Bankruptcy court trustees are investigating claims that businessman Rob Rossi and the City of Atascadero are concealing assets of developer R.W. Hertel and Sons in an attempt to help the bankrupt home builder avoid paying creditors and taxes.

Trustees began their investigations despite information that the man making the allegations is known to have duped Ross Perot, ABC’s Peter Jennings, and the FBI.

Scott Barnes is infamous for convincing Perot to drop his bid for the presidency due to information Barnes was accused of constructing. Barnes has a resume that includes serving time for fabricating evidence, illegal wire tapping, giving false testimony, and sending government investigators on wild goose chases, according to a Times article.

Nevertheless, Barnes appears to have a real claim against R.W. Hertel and Sons regarding faulty home construction. Along with two other creditors, Barnes forced the financially troubled contractors into involuntary bankruptcy on January 29 in an attempt to recoup a $42,000 debt.

A virtual pittance as Hertel asserted under oath that he personally guaranteed $145 million of R.W. Hertel and Sons’ debt.


https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rel...f-smith-law-offices-llp-client-300450481.html


RIVERSIDE, Calif., May 3, 2017 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Smith Law Offices, LLP – a trial and litigation law firm specializing in public sector, labor and employment, regulatory, healthcare and business litigation – announced today that a San Luis Obispo jury recently decided in favor of its client, the County of San Luis Obispo, in an auto/pedestrian accident.

The plaintiff, San Luis Obispo resident Scott Barnes, was walking his granddaughter's dog in a crosswalk in downtown San Luis Obispo, when Donna Cole – a mental health worker with the County of San Luis Obispo – parked her County car illegally in a clearly marked fire zone. Cole was dropping off a County patient to buy groceries and the rear end of her car was situated within the confines of the crosswalk. As Barnes was walking behind Cole's car, she allegedly backed into Barnes, knocking him to the ground. Barnes went to urgent care, where he was diagnosed with contusions on his arm, hand and left knee. Subsequently, he was diagnosed with a meniscal tear in his knee for which he would undergo surgery.

The County defended on grounds that Cole never backed her car into Barnes. Instead, Barnes saw Cole's vehicle in the crosswalk, he became upset, and started pounding his fists on the trunk of Cole's car while yelling at her that she was in the crosswalk. After an attempt to converse with Barnes, Cole drove off and, consequently, Barnes claimed he was the victim of a hit and run.

https://www.agingrebel.com/13511/comment-page-1

Lisa Ling, the CNN journalist who hosted an hour-long television feature about life inside the Mongols Motorcycle Club Wednesday Night, published an interesting encounter with Scott Barnes on her Facebook page yesterday.

Ling obviously had no idea who Barnes was. She seemed to take him at his word. She wrote, “Just wanted to post this exchange that I had on FB with a former federal law enforcement agent who says that he, along with the BET – Biker Enforcement Team, incited war between the Mongols and Hells Angels that led to a number of deaths.” ...


Barnes has a long history of telling interested people interesting things they want to hear.

He was briefly famous again in 1992 when he convinced presidential candidate Ross Perot that he was part of a Republican plot to smear Perot’s family. He also convinced Perot that he was part of a covert group that had knowledge of forgotten prisoners of war in Vietnam. Barnes claimed to have found Americans in two Laotian camps and received orders from the CIA to “liquidate the merchandise.”

Perot was concerned about men listed as Prisoners Of War and Missing In Action in Vietnam. The candidate was outspoken about his belief that the United States had abandoned captured Americans as part of a CIA conspiracy involving senior government officials on behalf of the Shan States heroin trade. Perot told the Prescott, Arizona Courier that “Barnes is credible and knows what he’s talking about.”

Lisa Ling seems to think so too. Maybe not.

https://www.sfgate.com/health/article/1-000-hepatitis-C-pill-a-tough-miracle-to-swallow-5455230.php

More than four decades ago, Scott Barnes needed luck to survive the bullets and bombs of the Vietnam War. Today, his life depends on a beige, $1,000 pill.

Hailed as a breakthrough treatment for hepatitis C, Sovaldi could help more than 130 million people across the globe who suffer from the disease. Barnes believes he became infected during the war, when he received a blood transfusion laced with the virus.

"It's one thing to take a bullet or lose a leg," said Barnes, 59, whose disease is so advanced he's bought a grave and a plaque to go with it. "But it's another thing when you have a disease that's a killer and there's no cure."

I can go on all day with this *******, up to and including his testimony before the U.S. Senate where he lied his ass off. Quick summation of the facts - failed as a LEO with two agencies, fired during his probation period. No Vietnam service, approximately one year service in CONUS at Ft. Lewis. It only gets gets worse with this *******.

What I learned through my go-round with this character and what I've learned otj, is that these types of ******** do not have enough character to even be insulted when they're caught out. Any type of attention given to them has the desired effect,

As far as trying to protect other folks from these types of con-men, it's pretty much a lost cause. There are folks that will swallow anything if it props up their world-view, and the facts don't have anything to do with it.

There's nothing wrong with the way you've put things together, but your time and effort has had no better effect on this Miller guy than all of my time and energy I wasted being irate over the **** and the time and energy expended by the writers of these articles, all over the course of the 1980's to date.

These fantasists are untouched by the truth. Throwing truth at them has no more effect on them than a passing breeze. The truth will not make them cease and desist, and it will not make them apologetic.

The time spent being pissed off at them is much better spent doing something positive - following around a scumbag to record their misdeeds doesn't fix anything or make the situation any better for the folks they scam - why waste perfectly good time on ******** like Miller and Barnes?
 
Don't why Carl is getting so much attention here, he's very much a bit player (hell doesn't even qualify for his own thread on either Quatloos or Fogbow!)
:rolleyes:
(indeed snoop4truth has more hits in both of them than Carl does LOL)
 
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