Psychic Kids on A&E

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Don't the mods usually say they have merged threads? Your link:
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goes to this thread:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115773

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Marsha Calder, one of the folks that has been involved in the Psychic Kids show sponsors a web based organization called Indigro. In an interview on YouTube recently posted, that was intitled "Fear Treatment", she dismisses people who are critical of the Indigo children 'phenomenon'. I haven't seen the show yet either, but the OP got me interested in the thread. A great number of mothers and parents I have met here in our area believe in the Indigo teachings.
 
I just know that other children that have been encouraged in their "psychic" powers have ended up in a bad bad way. I think of the one young woman that is now in jail...does anyone else remember that. Randi tried to go investigate and was turned away. I'm thinking she is now in jail for murdering her child. She was a foster child and very unhappy.

The point is that parents need to protect their children.

Think about the Salem witch trials. Basically young girls seeking attention. Things end up badly when parents don't help their children.
 
It's simply dangerous, indigo children whatever....

and what about when they are adults? A psychic adult isn't nearly as interesting as an indigo child! There is a resulting depression. As a preschool teacher I see it when the new baby comes to the house. The classroom antics of the child with the new sibling can be totally attributed to "not being the center of attention syndrome".

I feel badly for the child, but I'm also very firm. It's a good reality check for the kid and they quickly get over it.
 
LARRY KING LIVE: Psychic Kids! 9:00 PM 2 July 2008 Weds?

While it may or may not be related to the A&E TV show, Psychic Kids: Children of the Paranormal, it looks like the
LARYY KING LIVE show, on
02 July 2008 Wednesday
9:00 PM Eastern Time (USA), will have a program:

Psychic Kids!
Quote taken from cnn DOT com/CNN/Programs/larry.king.live/
(I can't post links yet, sorry...)
Some see dead people, others have a sixth sense! Wait until you see what they can do! Plus, John Edward and Char Margolis. It's gonna be a great show. They're predicting it!​

Just wanted to inform those who may be interested in watching this... stuff.
 
LARRY KING LIVE UPDATE:
The Wednesday, 02 July 2008
9:00 PM ET segment Psychic Kids! on the LARRY KING LIVE show has been replaced by
BREAKING NEWS
Hostages Freed!

Now there is some REAL news.
 
It's simply dangerous, indigo children whatever....

and what about when they are adults? A psychic adult isn't nearly as interesting as an indigo child!

A guy by the name of James Twymann, who wrote Emissary of the Light, and his friend, Neal Donald Walsh, Conversations With God, set our town on fire with talk of the Indigo children when their film, "Indigo" appeared in Asheville. The only other film that drew as large of a crowd was "What the Bleep". I think I've heard at least two kids have now been named Indigo due to this kind of exposure, I know of one for sure. This topic is very much the rage at the moment among young mothers, even since the film came about nearly three years ago.

There is cause for concern when the Indigo 'movement' gets involved in something like Psychic Kids. I can only speak for the area I know of, but this mindset has firmly taken hold here (in ref; Indigos). The topic is brought up quite a bit amongst parents, especially at music events and outdoor events in town.
 
That Indigo Children thing looks like a take off from the Celestine Prophesy fantasy.

It amazes me how some adults cannot tell the difference between fantasy and reality when it comes to stuff like this.
 
Larry King Live: Psychic Kids! replaced by U.S. Hostages Freed!

DISCLAIMER: FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY

How come Johnnycake Edward, Charlatan Margolis, and the “psychic” kids slated to appear on the Larry King Live show, didn’t foresee the release of the 15 hostages held by the FARC?

How come angels, guides, or spirits (or other made-for-the-cause entity) didn’t tell the “psychics” to stay home that night? If the “psychics” stayed home, that would have saved travel time & related expenses of getting them to the studio. Then, CNN and/or Mr. King could have scheduled the BREAKING NEWS U.S. Hostages Freed! segment in the first place.

Note: A segment called Psychic Kids! was scheduled to appear on the Larry King Live show on CNN at 9:00 PM ET on Wednesday, 02 July 2008. That segment was not shown, because it was replaced with the BREAKING NEWS segment called U.S. Hostages Freed!

I don’t know if the “psychic” kids who were to appear on the Larry King Live show were those related to the A&E TV show Psychic Kids: Children of the Paranormal.

CNN's website listed:
"Psychic Kids! Some see dead people, others have a sixth sense! Wait until you see what they can do! Plus, John Edward and Char Margolis. It's gonna be a great show. They're predicting it!
Tonight, 9 pmET"

At least by replacing the Psychic Kids segment, there was some REAL news to report about the freed hostages.
 
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SPELLING BY FAITH
8-year-old Faith claims to see the spirits of Freddie Stuart, Catharine (Freddie’s mom), and Sarah (who it was decided, was a care-giver for Freddie).

Faith makes it a point to correctly spell out Freddie’s last name Stuart as S-T-U-A-R-T. It’s as if we should believe that she’s getting information from a spirit, rather than from someone (very much alive) who gave her the names and storyline before the show.

But if Faith received spirit-assisted spelling of Freddie’s last name, how come she misspelled Freddie’s first name as “Freddy” on her drawing of Freddie’s spirit? On the drawing she wrote "Freddy when he is mad.”

I did get a chance to see part of the episode that involves the revelation of Freddy Stuart. The more telling piece of information from this show - other than what you've been insightful enough to point out, is a quantifiable one; distance.

At some point, Chip admits that, within an hour of here, they found the records of Freddie Stuart from the period that corresponds with what the little girl mentioned. {Thinking about this - edit} Within an hour, is that at sixty miles an hour? Thirty five? There is no sure way of knowing how far out that net went. An hour away back in the 1880's would be different than 'an hour away' by today's standards. Stuart, is really not that rare of a surname - in my understanding, it's a bit of a stretch to say that it is.

Back to the question of data, very hard to figure out how far away they went to get the data on Freddie Stuart {given the episode I originally found}.

{edit} After I made this original posting, I found an episode of the show that gave me more data. The distance that they went to get this data was 78 miles away - that circumference would include Indiana, Kentucky and Illinois. This is the difference of mileage between Casey, Il where Freddie is supposed to have manifested and Paxton, IL, where the records of a Freddie Stuart from 1880 were found. 78 Miles is an awfully huge net, regardless of the population densities of the tri-state areas - historically speaking.
 
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So what is the story with Freddie Stuart? The show wasn't televised here.

He was supposedly murdered by his mother in 1886? Have they got any genealogists or historians to trace the family and see if that was true?

The 1880 census can be accessed for free at (not allowed to post url) familysearch.org and the Stuart family are easy to find. Wonder what the 1890 census shows? Don't think that is free anywhere though.
 
Freddy Stuart story

So what is the story with Freddie Stuart? The show wasn't televised here.

He was supposedly murdered by his mother in 1886? Have they got any genealogists or historians to trace the family and see if that was true?

The 1880 census can be accessed for free at (not allowed to post url) familysearch.org and the Stuart family are easy to find. Wonder what the 1890 census shows? Don't think that is free anywhere though.

Jonquill, if you go to youtube and look up the user ParanormRUs, you can see the whole episode in parts.

What I could tell about Freddie's story was that the little girl in question, age 8, has reported that she is in contact with a spirit of a young boy named, originally, Freddy Stuart. As this post has continued, someone else was kind enough to point out that in the opening of that episode, the name 'Freddy' is drawn on paper, along with the child's rendition of the entity she claims has contacted her. At one point, the name changes from 'Freddy' to 'Freddie' - and it's hard to tell who changed the name, either the young girl, Faith, or the interviewer. Chip Coffey, who is the main investigator behind the show, has a group therapy session with the young children (and their parents), in an traditional American Mid-Western Inn, called Story Inn, in Nashville, Indiana.

Freddie, according to the story, was killed by his mother Catherine and has since haunted the earth and attached himself to the young Faith. Catherine is claimed to also harass the young girl much like she did Freddie while he was alive.

Once they reach the Story Inn, Faith says that the inn is haunted (which is one of the selling points of the actual place on it's website - google the 'story inn Nashville Indiana'). If you watch the episode "The Ghost of Freddie", then visit the Story Inn website, it's obvious that the Inn was dressed down to look like a haunted house - at least at the time of the filming.

Many of the parents are stressed out, the kids are claiming the whole place is haunted. In regards to Freddie situation, both the mother and the child in this episode are already exhibiting extreme psychological distress, and much of the show plays on this as the psychics try to rally the troops and do intervention counseling.

During this session, Chip drops the bomb; that Freddie exists and they found him (see above post for details.) This provides validation for the young girl, who continues to claim that Catherine has followed them there, along with Freddie, and is threatening young Faith. The archival record establishes that Freddie Stuart existed and that his mother was a lady by the name of Catherine in the year 1880.

The young girl is elated, but the mother seems more distressed as the events progress surrounding the show.

In my mind, taking the children to a place that is known to be traditionally 'haunted' by rapport was a bad idea. Kids pick up on ghost stories, alot quicker than than adults, and remember those places in their minds. For example, Chip claims none of the young girls knew they were going to meet up at the 'Story Inn' (where the girls are supposed to met up together for the first time).

As the drama unfolds, one of the little girls draws the 'Story Inn' on paper before they get there, with far greater accuracy than any Uri Geller could have done. One has to ask, did the young girl already know, even though they weren't told of the official name of the place, but the direction, that they were going to a traditionally haunted inn that has a long history of ghost sightings?

Finding and watching this episode is crucially to see what the parents, not just the children, are going through as well.

What would be more interesting to find out, and I didn't notice this in the episode, was any possible death records. However, the girl did mess up on one thing. The Freddie Stuart that we can find on record, is 8 years old at the time of th 1880 US consensus, having been born in 1972 to Catherine and Augustus Stuart. Faith says Freddie was a young boy, Freddie was actually 14 years old if he died in 1886.

Here's the kicker, did this Freddie Stuart actually die in 1886?

That's the most important record to find.
 
Issues in researching these records, the 1890's Federal Census records were destroyed by fire at the Department of Commerce. Only a fragmented library of data exists. Though Illinois records are some of the few that show up, Ford County or Paxton Township are not available.
 
Thanks roseglass, I suppose you could argue that there was no death certificate if the mother hid the body and the death was never reported. It would be cool to find him alive and kicking in 1900 though.
I'm not familiar with what records are available in the US but I am looking on the index on Ancestry.com and so far haven't found any of the family after 1880.
I don't think the spelling is all that important, it's just as likely that his name was actually Frederick.
 
Look at this, a very close match to the Freddie on the census.

Fred E. Stewart Pedigree
Male Family

Event(s):
Birth:
Paxton, Ford, Illinois
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: Augustus S. Stewart Family
Mother: Catherine Dolan

Marriages:
Spouse: Grace Burtnett Family
Marriage:
25 AUG 1902 Paxton, Ford, Illinois

Married in 1902 - therefore not murdured in 1886.
 
Excellent Research

Way to go, I saw your inquiry on Yahoo Answers, and the results given by the lady there that posted the first record that I saw before seeing it on Ancestry.com.

There's little doubt in my mind that Freddie's mother called young Fred by the name given on the 1880 census. The father's name and the mother's name match up with the 1880 record to the one that you just posted. Fred E. was happily married, with kids and not buried in the back yard.

Faith's mother needs to know what was found, the woman seem twisted in so many different directions. That little kid was pulling off some major woo on her parents. Wonder what Chip Coffey would say if he saw that.
 

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