Project 2025

johnny karate said:
Believing people when they explicitly tell you the things they want to do seems like a more straightforward approach.
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True enough. So why, when other politicians disown it, is that mocked as lies? They explicitely told you they disown it.


Speaking of which, don't forget to loudly trumpet you wish to pack the court. In the actual form of the phrase, as when FDR tried it.

Speak loudly and clearly of your intentions! Especially as the election approaches, so The People can all understand your plans, then, in their infinite wisdom, set the course for the future. Buy megaphones and stand atop buildings! Do not be shy!
 
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johnny karate said:
Haha.. okay.

Someone who floats conspiracy theories about election fraud clearly doesn't have the firmest grip on reality, but I see that we have now moved on to full-blown reality denial. I look forward to anti-vaxxer screeds to follow.
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As the champagne meme goes, it's only a coup if it's from the Coup region of France, otherwise it's just sparkling sedition.
 
Bogative said:
Originally Posted by zorro99 View Post
Project 2025 would ban abortion pills nationally . It would also build the federal apparatus to track and monitor all pregnant women throughout the United States. Those who obtained or attempted to obtain abortions would be imprisoned.
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Link?
Quote?
Page number?
Chapter?

Anything other than Prison Planet-esque proclamations?
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Zorro's post is not accurate. However, P-2025 does include the following:
The word “abortion” appears 199 times in Project 2025. The playbook includes an expansive array of suggestions of ways the government should regulate pregnancy and abortion, including:

1. Removing emergency contraception from the list of preventive services insurers must cover under the Affordable Care Act.

2. Calling on the FDA to rescind its approval of “chemical abortion drugs” such as mifepristone.

3. Using the Comstock Act to make it illegal to mail abortion medication.

4.Revoking Medicaid funds from states that require private insurance policies to cover abortions.

5. Prohibiting hospital emergency rooms from providing an abortion in order to save a woman’s life.

6. Conducting expansive government tracking of every instance of “spontaneous miscarriage; treatments that incidentally result in the death of a child (such as chemotherapy); stillbirths; and induced abortion”.
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See below:

On page 455, it says: "The CDC’s abortion surveillance and maternity mortality reporting systems are woefully inadequate. CDC abortion data are reported by states on a voluntary basis, and California, Maryland, and New Hampshire do not submit abortion data at all. Accurate and reliable statistical data about abortion, abortion survivors, and abortion-related maternal deaths are essential to timely, reliable public health and policy analysis. Because liberal states have now become sanctuaries for abortion tourism, HHS should use every available tool, including the cutting of funds, to ensure that every state reports exactly how many abortions take place within its borders, at what gestational age of the child, for what reason, the mother’s state of residence, and by what method. It should also ensure that statistics are separated by category: spontaneous miscarriage; treatments that incidentally result in the death of a child (such as chemotherapy); stillbirths; and induced abortion."

...rescinding FDA approval of abortion medication (which accounted for 63% of all abortions in the US last year) and making it illegal to mail it, combined with the other proposals and existing laws in many states, would make the procedure exponentially harder to obtain.

“You can read the enforcement of the Comstock Act as a way to ban abortion,” says Greer Donley, an associate law professor at the University of Pittsburgh School of Law and an expert on abortion law. “Project 2025 is extremely aggressive on abortion.”
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P-2025 is extreme and would make legal and safe abortions virtually impossible to obtain in the US. What it would do is force women to do what they did pre-Roe v Wade: resort to back alley or self-induced abortions with a high risk of death for poorer women while those who could afford it would fly to another saner country to obtain them safely and legally.
 
johnny karate said:
You also said Trump wouldn't be stupid enough to attempt a coup. He ended up attempting a coup. You clearly have no real sense of what Trump will or won't do, and are either lying to yourself or everyone else.

And the idea that Republicans don't want a federal abortion ban is ludicrous. The majority of Republicans support making abortion illegal in all or most cases and House Republicans proposed a budget just a few months ago that endorsed a federal abortion ban. But you want us to believe that the constituents that they represent don't want the thing that they proposed.

And again - and I can't stress this enough - the assurances given by Trump voters about all the ways Trump would be stopped even if he wanted to do the terrible things they insist he won't do only apply if we accept Trump as a normal politician and not what he is: A 34-time convicted felon, sexual abuser, and fraudster who aimed a violent mob at the Capitol because he lost an election and clearly has no compunction about upending norms and breaking laws.
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Remember the good old days when we also believed they wouldn't really overturn Roe vs. Wade?
 
Safe-Keeper said:
Remember the good old days when we also believed they wouldn't really overturn Roe vs. Wade?
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We were just being hyperbolic. They would never make it easy for states to ban abortion. Nor will they call for a national ban. Or even try to ban medication based abortion. Or work to ban birth-control.
 
Bogative said:
Of course it wasn't, thank you for acknowledging that.
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Thank you for acknowledging all the extreme anti-choice provisions listed in P-25:

The word “abortion” appears 199 times in Project 2025. The playbook includes an expansive array of suggestions of ways the government should regulate pregnancy and abortion, including:

1. Removing emergency contraception from the list of preventive services insurers must cover under the Affordable Care Act.

2. Calling on the FDA to rescind its approval of “chemical abortion drugs” such as mifepristone.

3. Using the Comstock Act to make it illegal to mail abortion medication.

4.Revoking Medicaid funds from states that require private insurance policies to cover abortions.

5. Prohibiting hospital emergency rooms from providing an abortion in order to save a woman’s life.

6. Conducting expansive government tracking of every instance of “spontaneous miscarriage; treatments that incidentally result in the death of a child (such as chemotherapy); stillbirths; and induced abortion”.
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Oh, wait.....you didn't!
 
Stacyhs said:
Thank you for acknowledging all the extreme anti-choice provisions listed in P-25:



Oh, wait.....you didn't!
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I also did not acknowledge that water is wet.


The Heritage Foundation is a conservative think tank, they oppose abortion. Shocking!
 
Beau of the Fifth Column had a tip for reading P2025, by the way: a lot of the scary stuff is 'hidden' behind code words like "woke" and whatnot (forgot what they were, but think various insults/code words/dog whistles they are wont to use. I think "family values" was one).
 
Bogative said:
I also did not acknowledge that water is wet.


The Heritage Foundation is a conservative think tank, they oppose abortion. Shocking!
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Opposing abortion is one thing. What P-2025 wants isn't opposition to abortion: it wants to ban abortion entirely including emergency intervention to save the life of the mother.

It also wants "to track every instance of spontaneous miscarriage; treatments that incidentally result in the death of a child (such as chemotherapy); stillbirths; and induced abortion”.

That IS 'Shocking'! Why is that the government's business? What about conservatives' claimed belief in government keeping its nose out of our private business? Reeks of Big Brother to me.
 
The 'Aftermath' ad on Lincoln Project envisioned a future where the state even tracked women's periods.
 
After declaring he knew nobody from Project 2025, Trump just promised to put Project 2025’s author, Tom Homan, in his Administration.
 
Stacyhs said:
Opposing abortion is one thing. What P-2025 wants isn't opposition to abortion: it wants to ban abortion entirely including emergency intervention to save the life of the mother.

It also wants "to track every instance of spontaneous miscarriage; treatments that incidentally result in the death of a child (such as chemotherapy); stillbirths; and induced abortion”.

That IS 'Shocking'! Why is that the government's business? What about conservatives' claimed belief in government keeping its nose out of our private business? Reeks of Big Brother to me.
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Government small enough to fit in a uterus
 
Random said:
It does call for a national abortion ban, just in a roundabout way. It comes down to the phrase, “We believe that the 14th amendment to the constitution of the United States guarantees that no person can be denied Life or Liberty without Due Process, and that the States are, therefore, free to pass Laws protecting those Rights,”

That sounds like they are backing off a national ban if you don't know the background, but if you know about their stand on Fetal Personhood, it's a pretty clear argument for banning abortion based on the US Constitution.

It's amazing the number of media outlets that buy into this "Trump is becoming moderate" BS...
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The same people will then turn around and argue that the 14th amendment is illegal because it passed when the traitor states were still under occupation.
 
Stacyhs said:
Opposing abortion is one thing. What P-2025 wants isn't opposition to abortion: it wants to ban abortion entirely including emergency intervention to save the life of the mother.

It also wants "to track every instance of spontaneous miscarriage; treatments that incidentally result in the death of a child (such as chemotherapy); stillbirths; and induced abortion”.

That IS 'Shocking'! Why is that the government's business? What about conservatives' claimed belief in government keeping its nose out of our private business? Reeks of Big Brother to me.
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It wants to go the route of El Salvador where women who had miscarriages have to prove themselves innocent or be jailed for thirty years plus.
 
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