Project 2025

[dudalb]

One writer said the Heritaqe foundation were a bucnh of idiots by being so open about Project 2025. If you plan somenthing like this, you do it in secret and see it does not get out.

 

[bruto]

One writer said the Heritaqe foundation were a bunch of idiots by being so open about Project 2025. If you plan something like this, you do it in secret and see it does not get out.

I certainly would not dispute that they're a bunch of idiots, but I think your writer's itemizing of the idiocy indicates a sort of bias, as if such a project were an act of calculated mischief rather than fundamental stupidity. To promote a policy of idiocy with intelligence would be out of character.

 

[Donal]

One writer said the Heritaqe foundation were a bucnh of idiots by being so open about Project 2025. If you plan somenthing like this, you do it in secret and see it does not get out.

have you talked to anyone who doesn't follow politics as closely as you do about Project 2025?

 

[Safe-Keeper]

I know Project 2025 has been searched for on Google more often than Taylor Swift recently. And it'll only get more attention in the coming weeks as we near election.
But yes, it's strange. And scary, as it says something about how bold the fascists are becoming.

Then again, Dump was openly horrible in 2016, and he still won, so.

 

[theprestige]

One writer said the Heritaqe foundation were a bucnh of idiots by being so open about Project 2025. If you plan somenthing like this, you do it in secret and see it does not get out.

Yes, how stupid of these conservatives to reveal that they're against abortion! If only they'd kept their mouths shut, nobody would have suspected until it was too late! /s

And though I strongly disagree with plenty of the restrictive economic and trade ideas found in Project 2025, that’s not what the left is taking issue with. They’re feigning horror at decades-old social conservative positions and warning us about authoritarian policies that aren’t actually found anywhere in the plan.

https://thefederalist.com/2024/07/0...-a-single-white-christian-nationalist-policy/​

 

[kookbreaker]

Yes, how stupid of these conservatives to reveal that they're against abortion! If only they'd kept their mouths shut, nobody would have suspected until it was too late!

There's a difference between someone saying they are pro-life and painting a roadmap to Gilead.

(head-in-the-sand pig-ignorant quote by yet another right-wing apologist snipped)

 

[dudalb]

Yes, how stupid of these conservatives to reveal that they're against abortion! If only they'd kept their mouths shut, nobody would have suspected until it was too late! /s

And though I strongly disagree with plenty of the restrictive economic and trade ideas found in Project 2025, that’s not what the left is taking issue with. They’re feigning horror at decades-old social conservative positions and warning us about authoritarian policies that aren’t actually found anywhere in the plan.

https://thefederalist.com/2024/07/0...-a-single-white-christian-nationalist-policy/​

It's the methods that make the difference.
And,frankly, it goes beyond abortion. it is at attempt to create a de facto offical religion in the USA which in my opinions would make the Founding Fathers turn over in their grave.

 

[dudalb]

There's a difference between someone saying they are pro-life and painting a roadmap to Gilead.

(head-in-the-sand pig-ignorant quote by yet another right-wing apologist snipped)

What is sad is that some of these people know exactly who and what Trump and MAGA Is, but they still support them.
I think they are under the illusion that somehow the more traditonal conservatives can somehow control Trump and company.
Funny, traditional conservatives thought the same way when they supported Hitler in Gemrany. Did not turn out well for them.
I have many opinions, particualy on economic positions, that would be considered conservative by many people here.( I am pretty pro free market, and skeptical bout big govnement programs being the answer to every problems). But i have never liked the conservative social agenda.
But Trump and Maga is just plain batcrap crazy.

 

[Venom]

It's the methods that make the difference.
And,frankly, it goes beyond abortion. it is at attempt to create a de facto offical religion in the USA which in my opinions would make the Founding Fathers turn over in their grave.

And classifying an entire group of people as sexual deviants, dehumanizing rhetoric and an implicit call for violence against them, tbh. I think there's no way to make peace with these scumbags.

Those leftists you sneer at are some of the only people who will stand with you against the Trumpers.

 

[dudalb]

And classifying an entire group of people as sexual deviants, dehumanizing rhetoric and an implicit call for violence against them, tbh. I think there's no way to make peace with these scumbags.

Those leftists you sneer at are some of the only people who will stand with you against the Trumpers.

I only sneer at some on the Left.
And I amnot so sure the Left is the only people who will stand agians Trump .

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

I know Project 2025 has been searched for on Google more often than Taylor Swift recently. And it'll only get more attention in the coming weeks as we near election.
But yes, it's strange. And scary, as it says something about how bold the fascists are becoming.

Then again, Dump was openly horrible in 2016, and he still won, so.

What is rarely, if ever, acknowledged is the sheer anount of cheating that the republicans engaged in in 2016 (well, every election since at least 2000). Hilary Clinton started on election day with a balance of -10,000,000 votes (at the minimum) and still was the winner of the democratic vote.

 

[W.D.Clinger]

And classifying an entire group of people as sexual deviants, dehumanizing rhetoric and an implicit call for violence against them, tbh. I think there's no way to make peace with these scumbags.

The variety of unity Trump seeks is not achieved by making peace.

 

[GrandMasterFox]

I have many opinions, particualy on economic positions, that would be considered conservative by many people here.( I am pretty pro free market, and skeptical bout big govnement programs being the answer to every problems). But i have never liked the conservative social agenda.
But Trump and Maga is just plain batcrap crazy.

It's not just economy. It's everything that's crazy.

Even take this issue of pro-life. If the issue was about protecting life then you'd expect them to do things like increasing maternity leave? How about providing easier healthcare?
Making a better foster care or safer and easier adoption options?

You know, things that would actually make the pregnant woman's and the baby's life easier?

But no, they rather make their lives even worse.

 

[Stacyhs]

It's not just economy. It's everything that's crazy.

Even take this issue of pro-life. If the issue was about protecting life then you'd expect them to do things like increasing maternity leave? How about providing easier healthcare?
Making a better foster care or safer and easier adoption options?

You know, things that would actually make the pregnant woman's and the baby's life easier?

But no, they rather make their lives even worse.

I think a lot of it is virtue signaling. When push comes to shove, a lot of these public anti-prochoice people would be rushing to a doctor for an abortion when it affects them personally.

 

[bruto]

I think a lot of it is_______ virtue signaling. When push comes to shove, a lot of these public anti-prochoice people would be rushing to a doctor for an abortion when it affects them personally.

In too many cases "would be" has become "were." But damn, I HATE the term "virtue signaling" even though it sort of fits here. Most of us signal our virtue when our opinion is given. The term presumes hypocrisy without taking responsibility for accusing it directly, and all too often, used as it is by right wingers, it's an accusation of hypocrisy by people who cannot believe a position contrary to their own could be real. Virtue, social justice, and fact have all become dirty words in the right wing vocabulary.

So yeah, bla bla bla again and I will step off the soapbox with the request that we insert "fake" or "hypocritical" or some similar term into the space above.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

Yeah, 'virtue signalling' is just an empty word they like to throw at people they don't like. It's only useful as a litmus test to show that the person you're discussing with isn't arguing in good faith and isn't worth replying to. It's also projection, of course, how often don't you see trumpkins and other far-righters reply with something meaningless just to show the world (and each other) that they are there?

 

[thaiboxerken]

Project 2025 has a goal of making american families look like the "nuclear family" again. The man goes to work, the woman is a home-maker the kids have good grades and everyone is heterosexual.

It doesn't fit in with the reality that non-binary people have always existed in history. It is also because of conservative economics that single-income homes are impossible for 95% of the population.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

That's just laziness.
People can just pull themselves up by their bootstraps by getting themselves born into a rich family.
Republican donors managed to do it, so everything else could, too, if they just made the effort.

 

[Donal]

You want to tax away my billions just because you were too lazy to swim to the right egg?

 

[Donal]

Project 2025 has a goal of making american families look like the "nuclear family" again. The man goes to work, the woman is a home-maker the kids have good grades and everyone is heterosexual.

It doesn't fit in with the reality that non-binary people have always existed in history. It is also because of conservative economics that single-income homes are impossible for 95% of the population.

That's just liberal propaganda. Next thing you know, you're going to tell us a stud like Rock Hudson was a homo.