Project 2025

thaiboxerken said:
Just like when they figured out how to make abortion illegal, they are trying to convince the public that the democrats are just being dramatic.
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Well, yes.

Would it surprise you to learn that for the first time in 40 years, the 2024 Republican party platform doesn't call for a national abortion ban? There are multiple ways one might interpret it. Given his history, I think the most logical interpretation is that Trump isn't interested in one, because he's actually relatively moderate on the abortion issue. A more cynical take is that it's not a politically winning issue, so Trump won't pursue it. And even more cynical one is that Trump doesn't even want to have a political fight over it because as things stand now, he can already say he won. No point in risking a possible future defeat. GG no re, if you will. But regardless of what motives you want to ascribe to it, I think it's clear that Trump isn't going to pursue a national abortion ban. He really has no reason to.

So yeah, democrats freaking out over something he's not going to do are indeed being dramatic.
 
Ziggurat thinks "it's clear that Trump isn't going to pursue a national abortion ban. He really has no reason to."

How reassuring.

Trump himself is assuring us he knows "nothing about Project 2025" and has "no idea who is behind it."

But Trump is lying.

Ziggurat said:
So yeah, democrats freaking out over something he's not going to do are indeed being dramatic.
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It is of course entirely appropriate to freak out over the things he's going to do, which includes not only a great many stupid things he's said he's going to do, but is also likely to include much of the Project 2025 agenda, including (for example) a national ban on mifepristone.
 
Donal said:
Yes, because right-wingers are well-known for their sense of shame and decency
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https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/patrick-shanahan-defense-secretary

It's worked before. Shanahan got pulled from the SECDEF job over his past. Trump obviously doesn't care that his nominee for SECDEF beat his wife; he is a rapist after all. He does care that attention on him gets pulled away. Jake Tapper can only lead the four o'clock hour with one story and Trump desperately cares that it's about him, even if it's about his latest betrayal of his nation.
 
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Ziggurat said:
Well, yes.

Would it surprise you to learn that for the first time in 40 years, the 2024 Republican party platform doesn't call for a national abortion ban? There are multiple ways one might interpret it. Given his history, I think the most logical interpretation is that Trump isn't interested in one, because he's actually relatively moderate on the abortion issue. A more cynical take is that it's not a politically winning issue, so Trump won't pursue it. And even more cynical one is that Trump doesn't even want to have a political fight over it because as things stand now, he can already say he won. No point in risking a possible future defeat. GG no re, if you will. But regardless of what motives you want to ascribe to it, I think it's clear that Trump isn't going to pursue a national abortion ban. He really has no reason to.

So yeah, democrats freaking out over something he's not going to do are indeed being dramatic.
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It does call for a national abortion ban, just in a roundabout way. It comes down to the phrase, “We believe that the 14th amendment to the constitution of the United States guarantees that no person can be denied Life or Liberty without Due Process, and that the States are, therefore, free to pass Laws protecting those Rights,”

That sounds like they are backing off a national ban if you don't know the background, but if you know about their stand on Fetal Personhood, it's a pretty clear argument for banning abortion based on the US Constitution.

It's amazing the number of media outlets that buy into this "Trump is becoming moderate" BS...
 
Ziggurat said:
So yeah, democrats freaking out over something he's not going to do are indeed being dramatic.
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I wonder if we went through your posts regarding Trump accepting the results of the 2020 election, what would we find.
 
We are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be
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Does "bloodless" mean that no GOP blood would be spilled? Does he really think leftists will not shoot back if attacked?

Ranb
 
Morons like this talk like that because they believe they will always be far away from the violence.
 
Trump's normal business practice is not to pay contractors or lenders.
In other words, he thinks it's the clever thing to do to go back on an agreement if doing so suits you.

How anyone can believe anything the man says he will do might be classified as delusional
 
he cheats and scams and lies right to their faces over and over and over
 
Donal said:
I wonder if we went through your posts regarding Trump accepting the results of the 2020 election, what would we find.
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You can definitely find at least one example of denying that Trump would ever attempt a coup. In fairness, this is unrelated to election results, but is still in line with this years-long and tedious agenda of denying and downplaying everything Trump says and does, and then being proven spectacularly wrong.

As far as acceptance of the election results, well... the record isn't great.

But it is fun to watch people who have signed on to reality-denying conspiracy theories mock others for "freaking out" over something they claim isn't going to happen.
 
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Ziggurat said:
Well, yes.

Would it surprise you to learn that for the first time in 40 years, the 2024 Republican party platform doesn't call for a national abortion ban? There are multiple ways one might interpret it. Given his history, I think the most logical interpretation is that Trump isn't interested in one, because he's actually relatively moderate on the abortion issue. A more cynical take is that it's not a politically winning issue, so Trump won't pursue it. And even more cynical one is that Trump doesn't even want to have a political fight over it because as things stand now, he can already say he won. No point in risking a possible future defeat. GG no re, if you will. But regardless of what motives you want to ascribe to it, I think it's clear that Trump isn't going to pursue a national abortion ban. He really has no reason to.

So yeah, democrats freaking out over something he's not going to do are indeed being dramatic.
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What an idiotic argument. Why would anyone trust Trump and the republicans over abortion rights?

First of all, while their platform NOW says "no national abortion ban", Trump has in the past called for national abortion legislation and even criminal penalties for those who have an abortion. If he is going to change policies so abruptly, why believe him NOW when the republicans change their platform to say "no national abortion legislation"?

Secondly, if Trump happens to get a second term, even if TRUMP won't agree to national abortion legislation, he will still likely appoint judges that will be anti-abortion. As a result, some future republican will have a much easier time eliminating women's rights.

Lastly... the whole argument that "abortion is a states-rights issue" is crap to begin with. Some young 10 year old sexual assault victim should not be forced to give birth to the child of her attacker just because she happens to live in a republican-controlled state. Some rights should be considered universal.
 
Segnosaur said:
What an idiotic argument. Why would anyone trust Trump and the republicans over abortion rights?

First of all, while their platform NOW says "no national abortion ban", Trump has in the past called for national abortion legislation and even criminal penalties for those who have an abortion. If he is going to change policies so abruptly, why believe him NOW when the republicans change their platform to say "no national abortion legislation"?

Secondly, if Trump happens to get a second term, even if TRUMP won't agree to national abortion legislation, he will still likely appoint judges that will be anti-abortion. As a result, some future republican will have a much easier time eliminating women's rights.

Lastly... the whole argument that "abortion is a states-rights issue" is crap to begin with. Some young 10 year old sexual assault victim should not be forced to give birth to the child of her attacker just because she happens to live in a republican-controlled state. Some rights should be considered universal.
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Yeah, you gotta love an obvious grift of an argument to defend the integrity of an obvious grifter.
 
Ranb said:
Does "bloodless" mean that no GOP blood would be spilled? Does he really think leftists will not shoot back if attacked?

Ranb
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It means that the left should lay down and submit, otherwise, there will be blood.

"No violence will happen, as long as you do everything we want."
 
Is anyone shocked they are using the language of wife beaters?
 
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