Project 2025

Reactionaries can only destroy; that's not news. Fascists can only foment disorder, the perpetual struggle as they call it. No news there either. Thus it's inevitable that the stupid brutes will eventually overreach themselves as they claw at everything they can touch, and strain for things they finally can't.

No news again. So don't be overly alarmed at this stale rightist blaring. Be angry instead.

When they start parading in the same color shirts, you'll know what to do.
 
sackett said:
Reactionaries can only destroy; that's not news. Fascists can only foment disorder, the perpetual struggle as they call it. No news there either. Thus it's inevitable that the stupid brutes will eventually overreach themselves as they claw at everything they can touch, and strain for things they finally can't.

No news again. So don't be overly alarmed at this stale rightist blaring. Be angry instead.
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I think there ARE reasons to be alarmed.

Yes, reactionaries can "only destroy". But what makes the current situation troublesome is:

- Never have the "extremists" been is a situation where they hold such influence. Many of the nutjobs behind Project 2025 were part of Trump's first administration, and Trump is leading in many opinion polls for the 2024 election. (Its not just a fringe group that is miles away from any real political power.)

- Their policies are broad-ranging and far out of touch with the sensibilities of the "average" american.
 
You're right of course, but

Segnosaur said:
I think there ARE reasons to be alarmed.

Yes, reactionaries can "only destroy". But what makes the current situation troublesome is:

- Never have the "extremists" been is a situation where they hold such influence. Many of the nutjobs behind Project 2025 were part of Trump's first administration, and Trump is leading in many opinion polls for the 2024 election. (Its not just a fringe group that is miles away from any real political power.)

- Their policies are broad-ranging and far out of touch with the sensibilities of the "average" american.
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I said don't be OVERLY alarmed. If these right wing yobs were once part of Assolini's administration, that suggests that they're also chaotic potters and self-seeking conspirators who can't get much right even when they try -- and mostly they just grift-graft out of the nearest half-open government drawer. With Donny Vacuumbrain at the top, who would bother to be an idealogue?

Yes, they mean to do evil. Yes, they're dangerous with power in their grasp. But they're crudely ham-fisted, and they can be defeated.

Guess I'm just saying, Be of good cheer. It's much easier to infuriate Americans than it is to cow them.

And there such a thing as high-hearted anger.
 
sackett said:
I said don't be OVERLY alarmed. If these right wing yobs were once part of Assolini's administration, that suggests that they're also chaotic potters and self-seeking conspirators who can't get much right even when they try -- and mostly they just grift-graft out of the nearest half-open government drawer. With Donny Vacuumbrain at the top, who would bother to be an idealogue?

Yes, they mean to do evil. Yes, they're dangerous with power in their grasp. But they're crudely ham-fisted, and they can be defeated.

Guess I'm just saying, Be of good cheer. It's much easier to infuriate Americans than it is to cow them.

And there such a thing as high-hearted anger.
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Even stupid and incompetent enemies can do a lot of harm if they have the right tools. A loaded gun in the hands of a moron is still a loaded gun.
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Be of good cheer?

I would (so I will!) hasten to remind: one need only glance over at the Supreme Court WRT Roe v. Wade, the Chevron Deference, and Presidential Immunity.
 
Meh, sturm and drang about nothing. Its a policy paper from a think tank, they do that all the time. I'm sure there's lots to disagree with but it ain't mein kampf or the communist manifesto and Trump certainly doesn't give a damn about it. Even if he did, he lack the tenacity to institute anything of importance.

That's not to say I'm not worried about trump but project 2025 has **** all to do with why I'm worried about trump.
 
A think thank that pretty much chosoes the Supreme Court justices and agency heads. Trump will do whatever gets hm hi ma treat from his handlers. That's why he tried to distance himself from Project 2025. He knows it is currently unpopular but he ahs know idea what is in it. He can't read anything longer than his own name. Give the right-wing media machine little time and it will be the manifesto for every drooling idiots still backing Trump.

Project 2025 has been the very thing al lthe various factions on the right have been doing, the Federalist Society is jsut trying to coordinate the efforts with themselves in charge.
 
sackett said:
Guess I'm just saying, Be of good cheer. It's much easier to infuriate Americans than it is to cow them.
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You cow Americans by infuriating them. Ever heard of LBJ's "lowest whiteman"?

the idea isn't to tell us how they wil lmake our lives better. The idea is give us some "others" and tell us they are why our lives aren't as good as they should be. Or that "they" took something from us.
 
ahhell said:
Meh, sturm and drang about nothing. Its a policy paper from a think tank, they do that all the time. I'm sure there's lots to disagree with but it ain't mein kampf or the communist manifesto and Trump certainly doesn't give a damn about it. Even if he did, he lack the tenacity to institute anything of importance.

That's not to say I'm not worried about trump but project 2025 has **** all to do with why I'm worried about trump.
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"Trump certainly doesn't give a damn about it" is a conclusion you can only reach if you take Trump at his word.

Considering that he has already blatantly lied about not knowing the people who drafted Project 2025 despite many of them being from his administration, I'm not sure why any rational person would do that.
 
This is just like the repeal of Roe v Wade all over again. Republicans tell us exactly what they want to do, then deny they will actually do it, a shocking number of people believe their denial, and then to the surprise of no one paying attention they do exactly the thing they said they wanted to do.
 
johnny karate said:
This is just like the repeal of Roe v Wade all over again. Republicans tell us exactly what they want to do, then deny they will actually do it, a shocking number of people believe their denial, and then to the surprise of no one paying attention they do exactly the thing they said they wanted to do.
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Yup. My grandfather was once paid by the government of the US to shoot these people.
We might need to revisit old and very popular policies in that area
 
ahhell said:
Meh, sturm and drang about nothing. Its a policy paper from a think tank, they do that all the time. I'm sure there's lots to disagree with but it ain't mein kampf or the communist manifesto and Trump certainly doesn't give a damn about it. Even if he did, he lack the tenacity to institute anything of importance.

That's not to say I'm not worried about trump but project 2025 has **** all to do with why I'm worried about trump.
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Trump can't do his worst without an army of loyalists. So far this is the most effort Conservatives have put in to change that. And real Conservatives, not wimpy liberal neo-cons who still cherish human rights for everyone and all that SJW woke crap.
 
sackett said:
I said don't be OVERLY alarmed. If these right wing yobs were once part of Assolini's administration, that suggests that they're also chaotic potters and self-seeking conspirators who can't get much right even when they try -- and mostly they just grift-graft out of the nearest half-open government drawer.
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Keep in mind that in Trump's first term, those "chaotic potters" managed to get a muslim travel ban implemented, put in a family separation program at the border, eliminated the pandemic response team, drove up the debt by billions of dollars through tax cuts that largely benefitted the wealthy, and started trade wars.

And that was when there were one or two "rational" individuals in the Trump administration (such as John Kelley) to provide at least a little pushback. The next term will probably won't even have that.

With Donny Vacuumbrain at the top, who would bother to be an idealogue?
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On the other hand, since Trump just doesn't care, he's also willing to let those "idealogues" run wild.
 
ahhell said:
Meh, sturm and drang about nothing. Its a policy paper from a think tank, they do that all the time.
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But as it has been pointed out before, this was not just some think-tank full of egg-heads writing some paper that will probably soon be forgotten.

Project 2025 was written by people who were involved in the first Trump administration, and it is likely that they (or people similar to them) will be involved again should Trump manage a second term.

I'm sure there's lots to disagree with but it ain't mein kampf or the communist manifesto and Trump certainly doesn't give a damn about it.
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As I have pointed out before, at least some of the things in Project 2025 are similar to policies that Trump has either implemented (or promised) in the past. So its not as far-fetched as you might think.

Trump may not agree with all the policies in 2025, but he certainly does give a damn about some of them.

Even if he did, he lack the tenacity to institute anything of importance.
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Doesn't matter how "tenacious" trump is. All he needs to to is appoint some nut-case to an important position (which he has done in the past), let them do their work, and just never interfere with them.
 
"A bloodless revolution, if the left allows it....."

It's sick, violent rhetoric. They should be tried for sedition.
 
thaiboxerken said:
"A bloodless revolution, if the left allows it....."

It's sick, violent rhetoric. They should be tried for sedition.
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What specifically in 2025 is "sick or violent rhetoric"?



To others, nothing in this is any worse than trump with out it, the outlandish reaction to project 2025 is just silly. Seriously, the republican mein kampf? That's not serious, its childish.

If the violent rhetoric involves deporting illegal immigrants, well, that's half of the american population, including a large minority of Dems you think are sick and violent.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...merica-warms-to-mass-deportations/ar-AA1nDo1C
 
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the heritage foundation is one of the most influential conservative think tanks in the world. it’s much bigger and older than some guys from trump’s old cabinet. tobacco, acid rain, ozone layer, climate change, they’ve been at the center of it all. you think they can’t get things done better think again.
 
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What specifically in 2025 is "sick or violent rhetoric"?
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Equating homsexuals and transgender people wth pedophiles and then calling for the death penalty for pedophiles.

To others,
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And these "others" are morons or accomplices. Or maybe both.

nothing in this is any worse than trump with out it,
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Its the playbook for the enxt time the GQP takes power

the outlandish reaction to project 2025 is just silly. Seriously, the republican mein kampf? That's not serious, its childish.
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Ya, just like they weren't going to any of the **** they told us they were going to do and actually did. I get it, its not like they coordinated an attack on the Capitol to ovetturn an election. Or have spent the last few decades overturning every step forward we have taken as a country over the last 160 years.
 
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